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Rear Hub...Shadow Raptor or Primo Remix??

post #1 of 19
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alright guys i know both are good hubs! primo is cheaper, shadow is lighter. shadow has an extra bearing in driver. my main debate is the engagment and sound level. which has quicker engagment? i heard a raptor today and it made my eclat sound silent, but ive never heard a mix..so which is louder? any opinions or whatever is appreciated.

post #2 of 19
Loudness shouldn't matter, throw that shit out the window and move on.

Out of the two, the engagement will be the same. Both have 32 teeth in a ring around the driver that the teeth catch on to, you get what I'm saying? Most BMX hubs have a 1/32 rotation for max engagement, if I remember correctly.

I've heard that the Remix isn't anywhere close to as good as the Mix. I have the raptor and can personally say that it kicks ass. I love it.

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post #3 of 19
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ya i get what ur saying..ya and ur right on loudness, either ones louder than mine lol. im leaning shadow at this point! never heard anything bad on it but i have on the remix..thankss!

post #4 of 19
If it's between the mix and the raptor, not the remix, I don't know where I would land. The raptor is a solid hub that I have taken to hell and back.

Are you riding 9t?

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yes sir i am

post #6 of 19

if you're going primo, try and get a mix over the remix. i've heard better things about the mix, as well as the fact that different size flanges for the drive side and non drive side seems like it could be annoying

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post #7 of 19
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if you're going primo, try and get a mix over the remix. i've heard better things about the mix, as well as the fact that different size flanges for the drive side and non drive side seems like it could be annoying

It's not really that bad. It takes a little bit of concentration when you build it, but it's not too bad at all.

For 9t, the driver bearings are going to be kinda small on any hub, so having the extra in the raptor will definitely help.

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post #8 of 19
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good deal thanks a bunch pickles!

 

post #9 of 19

Mix for sure. Ignore Pickles, he is talking out of his arse as per usual. It has a NEEDLE bearing in the driver which is much more resilient to radial loading than the crappy 6802 bearings the Raptor driver relies on

 

The most common number of teeth on a BMX hub catchring is 24, so it takes a maximum of 1/24 of a turn to engage. But a fair few have 2 pairs of pawls that are slightly out of phase to make for 48 points of engagement. Not all hubs use 24 or a 2nd, out of phase set of pawls however...

post #10 of 19
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Mix for sure. Ignore Pickles, he is talking out of his arse as per usual. It has a NEEDLE bearing in the driver which is much more resilient to radial loading than the crappy 6802 bearings the Raptor driver relies on

The most common number of teeth on a BMX hub catchring is 24, so it takes a maximum of 1/24 of a turn to engage. But a fair few have 2 pairs of pawls that are slightly out of phase to make for 48 points of engagement. Not all hubs use 24 or a 2nd, out of phase set of pawls however...

How so?

The needle bearings are great, yes, but that doesn't mean that the raptor won't hold up. I've seen quite a few 9t raptors take some abuse. The problem with 6802 is when you only run 2 bearings instead of 3, or have your chain too tight. If you don't set your chain like the hulk and have that third bearings (IE: As the raptor does), it isn't nearly as problematic.

The 32 is an average. A lot of racing hubs run 36+ and the street/dirt hubs run 24, 32, etc. The number isn't constant, it was an example. Whether it is 32 or 24, the point was that the engagement will be the same in both hubs. If you want to get into specifics, we can, but that would seem pointless now wouldn't it?


Other option: If you want to run 9t, the best way to run it is Q-lite set up w/ inverted pawls/teeth (pawls/springs in hub, teeth on driver).
http://www.theboardroom.ie/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=28&product_id=331&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2
or a similar design. The Shadow Rant V2 had this design as well, I don't know where to find those anymore.
Also, the Ratchet is a bombproof hub all around. It runs on needle bearings (like the mix) for 9t.


Say what you want, Jawn, I'm not going to base a recommendation purely on what /can/ happen, I base it on what /can/ happen, where the flaws are, and where those "flaws" can be ignored or have been fixed w/ preventative engineering (the third bearing for the raptor, as an example). I've taken my raptor to hell and back on pegs, the axles are able to take the abuse. I've seen the 9t raptors hold up flawlessly.

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post #11 of 19
warning: i am saying this without reading the rest of the thread. just the title and some of the OP. so it might not make sense now.

the remix is really not as good as the mix. if it was between the raptor and the mix i might have a tough time deciding but since its the remix i'll say raptor. i have a raptor and a friend of mine has a mix. the mix sounds really annoying. i swear the thing clicks after every degree it turns. sounds like someone trying to reel in a musky on an $8 openface reel with the drag set all the way down. but its still really nice. its over 4 years old (i think) and it still has no history of skipping. but the mix is not in question here. go with the raptor. i have one and its really solid. just be careful when you are cleaning it cuz certain solvents can remove that neat decal that goes around the hub shell.

 

 

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post #12 of 19

The entire fact that 6802's (even 3 of them) can't hack a tight chain is a big sign that they can't hack the job. The mechanical advantage if your cranks is going to tension the chain higher than just pulling the wheel back.

 

Needle bearing drivers on the other hand can take the load, be it static tension or cranking down with a tiny sprocket and long cranks

 

As for the rest I won't bother as you are just performing your guru act as per usual

post #13 of 19
Whatever bearings they are is immeterial. The bone facts is that there is no compatition between the remix and the raptor. If it was the original mix we might have a debate but the remix is, for some reason, not as good as the mix. So to the OP go with the raptor.

 

 

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post #14 of 19
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Whatever bearings they are is immeterial. The bone facts is that there is no compatition between the remix and the raptor. If it was the original mix we might have a debate but the remix is, for some reason, not as good as the mix. So to the OP go with the raptor.

Ehhh not entirely. If they were 6802's in the normal setup for 9t drivers, that would be a bad idea.

The remix doesn't even compete with the mix, though, sadly.

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post #15 of 19
i meant immeterial to the thread because we aren't talking about the mix. we are talking about the remix which like you said doesn't compare.

 

 

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post #16 of 19

The Remix runs 6802 bearings in the shell. They shouldn't fail as often as in the driver but they'd roll slower than 6902's

post #17 of 19

remix ****ing sucks skips all day 

post #18 of 19

since day one lol 

post #19 of 19
I have had a primo remix 10T and have abused the hell out of it and never had a problem held up great light as fck.
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