War...is it worth it?

[Matrix]

The sad part is that on 9-11 not 1 person in the US I can think of was aginst US forces taking out the problem. Now, as we still are working at that, another 2-3 countries are threating us.

So, the question becomes: Do we pull the troops back and cross our fingers they are bluffing.

OR

Do we stay and keep weeding, and if need be start weeding in the other countries.


Personaly I'm not for the war or aginst it. But, do to certian rights of every living person since atleast WWII. We can't just fire 1 large weapon at a target and be done with it.

Leaving us to either play wait and see(and pray for no more 9-11 type incidents), or go take the issue to them at the source. Death tolls are bad(but compaered to NAM and WWII...low)...but what can or should we do?


So, ladies and gents of the BMX Forum...what would you do(or want to see done)?

[JustinCarter]

Want oil to stay the way it is? Then you better want the war. I could care less if the war is going on aslong as i get cheap oil.

[Matrix]

Want oil to stay the way it is? Then you better want the war. I could care less if the war is going on aslong as i get cheap oil.


Thats one view. But, who's to say if they had made it a parking lot on day 1 what oil would cost. I have a feeling that was the original plan, but ofcourse, that isn't allowed now(before WWII ended maybe, not now).

[billytalentisshweet]

Oil is definately not cheap right now. And how can you justify spending human lives for a chemical to run your car?

The thing is, the terrorists arn't in Iraq, if your going to look anywhere look in Afganistan (where Harper tailgated the US into) where Osoma Bin Laden was know to be etc.

Terrorism won't stop because you are killing people, you have to go to the root of the problem and fix what that is. Blowing more people off the face of the Earth won't help.

Get out of Iraq, swallow your balls and negotiate with them. It will save many many lives.

[JustinCarter]

Oil is definately not cheap right now. And how can you justify spending human lives for a chemical to run your car?

The thing is, the terrorists arn't in Iraq, if your going to look anywhere look in Afganistan (where Harper tailgated the US into) where Osoma Bin Laden was know to be etc.

Terrorism won't stop because you are killing people, you have to go to the root of the problem and fix what that is. Blowing more people off the face of the Earth won't help.

Get out of Iraq, swallow your balls and negotiate with them. It will save many many lives.

Want to see the real price of oil? Get the troops out of iraq and then you will see high prices. Are you willing to pay more just so some people in iraq can "live". I know i might sound like a douche but i am saying what i really think, most people wont do that and most people dont want higher oil prices.

[Matrix]

Want to see the real price of oil? Get the troops out of iraq and then you will see high prices. Are you willing to pay more just so some people in iraq can "live". I know i might sound like a douche but i am saying what i really think, most people wont do that and most people dont want higher oil prices.

Honestly if we had just taken care of Iraq, Iran and North Korea in 1 step. The world would be alot better. Not trying to be a war monger, but you kill us. Are we suppose to bend over and take that?

Not 1 person on 9-11 would of said no to destroying anyone behind it. But, now that they start to forget...they want to end it. Well, I have an email at home from 3000 troops. It spells out why we are their in their minds...it says:

9-11 WE STILL REMEMBER

Thats from the troops, not some guy in DC or any state. Straight from the people in Iraq. And to make matters worse, the car bombs and such that are killing people in Iraq now...are now 100% proven to be atleast 70% coming from Iran and North Korea.

So, if you forgot what 9-11 felt like, pull the troops watch oil prices rise and wait for the next attack.

If you remember, stay win and not worry. Because in around 3 more years most big terrorist groups will have splintered or been killed. Allowing us a much safer planet overall.

[billytalentisshweet]

This isn't about 9/11 the people responsible for that are in Afganistan. We know that's where they are. The terrorists are not in Iraq. Having the potential to launch an attack on a country does not justify invasion.

Remember the Japanese reason for bombing Pearl Harbour?

You can't just run around taking out corrupt dictotorships, countries have to take care of their own as bad as it sounds.

Would you die so some westrener can drive his car for cheaper?

[Zero Cool]

Want to see the real price of oil? Get the troops out of iraq and then you will see high prices. Are you willing to pay more just so some people in iraq can "live". I know i might sound like a douche but i am saying what i really think, most people wont do that and most people dont want higher oil prices.You won't see the real price of oil until an oil well is blown up in Saudi Arabia.

I've heard that there is more oil in Venezuela than there is in the entire Middle East.

[Xcore]

tbh if its not over oil it will be over something else, war is enevatable.
Its human nature to want what someone else has got even at this scale.

[Matrix]

This isn't about 9/11 the people responsible for that are in Afganistan. We know that's where they are. The terrorists are not in Iraq. Having the potential to launch an attack on a country does not justify invasion.

Remember the Japanese reason for bombing Pearl Harbour?

You can't just run around taking out corrupt dictotorships, countries have to take care of their own as bad as it sounds.

Would you die so some westrener can drive his car for cheaper?


Yes, and half the cowards ran to god old Sadam for help...we followed. So, yes, it is still centered around 9-11.

[Dylan]

Personally i don't care about war, for the fact that sometimes it's nessacary like WW2 we didn't go to war Hitler would suceed, anyway if you don't want war in your country rally your people and encourage them not to fight against the coalition, for one they'll only die for apprently fighting for a "cause" and going to end getting themselves killed

In my conclusion, war should be kept for approiate reason's I.E: Dictatorship; and the peoples choice.

[Dylan]

This isn't about 9/11 the people responsible for that are in Afganistan. We know that's where they are. The terrorists are not in Iraq. Having the potential to launch an attack on a country does not justify invasion.

Remember the Japanese reason for bombing Pearl Harbour?

You can't just run around taking out corrupt dictotorships, countries have to take care of their own as bad as it sounds.

Would you die so some westrener can drive his car for cheaper?

I would die to keep that westerner/ commonwealth citizen safe from any harm.

[Matrix]

I would die to keep that westerner/ commonwealth citizen safe from any harm.

I agree

[billytalentisshweet]

Yes, and half the cowards ran to god old Sadam for help...we followed. So, yes, it is still centered around 9-11.

What? ^

"I would die to keep that westerner/ commonwealth citizen safe from any harm."

Not saying this is wrong, but what would make their lives worth more than yours, and why would the westrener deserve your sacrifice?

[Dylan]

What? ^

"I would die to keep that westerner/ commonwealth citizen safe from any harm."

Not saying this is wrong, but what would make their lives worth more than yours, and why would the westrener deserve your sacrifice?

Depending on what you mean I.E. A soldier, they fight to keep people safe. so there for they're fighting to keep there countries people safe there isnt anything to make there lives worth more than mine im just saying if i was to fight in a war i would be ready to die for the sake of those people. if i wasn't in the army which i probably expect will continue wouldn't die for someone else because i'm not the one fighting a war.

[Dylan]

Billytalentisshweet, for the fact Canada hasn't been in a major part in any war since WW2 you won't understand why war sometimes is relevant, You can't say canada is out fighting a war now because you're not, it's the UK/US Forces doing the fighting to keep these taliban or whatever type of terrorist from causing any other major wars, what would you say and think if Saddam was kept in power and started WW3 because he was exterminating people cause of there belief,sexuality,race or because they didn't believe in what he was doing. Think about it, in certain cases people are ready to die to keep people safe from any harm because of selfish terrorists.

[Zero Cool]

if Saddam was kept in power and started WW3Even without Saddam WWIII is going to happen, no doubt about it. It's just a question of when and how.

[Dylan]

i know theres going to be WW3, i was just using the war in iraq as an example as he was a dictator

[JustinCarter]

i know theres going to be WW3, i was just using the war in iraq as an example as he was a dictator

Yes there most likely to be a world war 3( probably when a major resource starts running out and everyone wants it *cough* oil *cough* )

[billytalentisshweet]

Canada has a large number of troops in Afganistan actually. We took most of the burden of fighting the Taliban off of Britan and US soldiers soldiers before Christmas.

I do know that war is sometimes relevant, but neither of these wars are.

[bmxdowntown16]

war is worth it u have to have war to survive if we didnt lil crazy country like iran would or even russia would try to take over and that will not happen

[bmxdowntown16]

people think war is just stupid it is but we have to have it

[Dylan]

Canada has a large number of troops in Afganistan actually. We took most of the burden of fighting the Taliban off of Britan and US soldiers soldiers before Christmas.

I do know that war is sometimes relevant, but neither of these wars are.

No dude you didn't my uncle was out there on missions all he saw the canadians doing was following our ass, the reason you took the burden of fighting the taliban was because they ambushed your convoy, UKSF had to go in and designate pacific targets for you guys to take out because your forces went into Disarray for 4 hours, when your forces got ambush you fell behind and decided to stay in your position, after a few days of staying there you got into a firefight with the Taliban, you won and forced the taliban to retreat.

The taliban attacked your convoy because the canadian presence isnt as big, so therefore easier target.

Its great knowing you guys will help us it's just whatever you've been told is bullshit. Everyone knows the Afghanistani's hate the british because we occupied there country to "fight off taliban"

Bet you didn't know for 112 days a group of 100 paras fought off atleast 900 taliban. they started to run low on resources but still managed to fend them off, the fighting stopped on christmas day. So you canadians can't say you've been lifting much weight of our shoulders. We extremely appreicate your help in this fight, but you just can't say your doing the fighting.

Hope you understand. ~Ross, and yes i agree these wars are not Nessacary.

[Dylan]

people think war is just stupid it is but we have to have it

The funny thing is no we don't. half of the wars in the previous century was because of peoples culture, I.E Korean war and vietnamese war

[Zero Cool]

Yes there most likely to be a world war 3( probably when a major resource starts running out and everyone wants it *cough* oil *cough* )Or when Israel is blown off the face of the Earth.

[Dylan]

Or when Israel is blown of the face of the Earth.

Lol, i agree

[Zero Cool]

people think war is just stupid it is but we have to have itWe don't need war. However, we are a long long time away from stopping it.

[billytalentisshweet]

No dude you didn't my uncle was out there on missions all he saw the canadians doing was following our ass, the reason you took the burden of fighting the taliban was because they ambushed your convoy, UKSF had to go in and designate pacific targets for you guys to take out because your forces went into Disarray for 4 hours, when your forces got ambush you fell behind and decided to stay in your position, after a few days of staying there you got into a firefight with the Taliban, you won and forced the taliban to retreat.

The taliban attacked your convoy because the canadian presence isnt as big, so therefore easier target.

Its great knowing you guys will help us it's just whatever you've been told is bullshit. Everyone knows the Afghanistani's hate the british because we occupied there country to "fight off taliban"

Bet you didn't know for 112 days a group of 100 paras fought off atleast 900 taliban. they started to run low on resources but still managed to fend them off, the fighting stopped on christmas day. So you canadians can't say you've been lifting much weight of our shoulders. We extremely appreicate your help in this fight, but you just can't say your doing the fighting.

Hope you understand. ~Ross, and yes i agree these wars are not Nessacary.

How long was he on missions for?

The point is that we are in Afganistan, and we are fighting. The number of troops might not seem like much to you guys, but Canada is usually a pretty peacefull nation and I beleive the only reason that we are in there is so that Harper can impress Bush. (which didn't work) Here there is always a special edition of the National (the main news show on CBC) Whenever more than 3 soldiers die. To us 1 soldiers death is a big deal and our media doesn't glorify the Taliban deaths as much as others. They just turn them into numbers which isn't right but can be expected.

[Dylan]

How long was he on missions for?

The point is that we are in Afganistan, and we are fighting. The number of troops might not seem like much to you guys, but Canada is usually a pretty peacefull nation and I beleive the only reason that we are in there is so that Harper can impress Bush. (which didn't work) Here there is always a special edition of the National (the main news show on CBC) Whenever more than 3 soldiers die. To us 1 soldiers death is a big deal and our media doesn't glorify the Taliban deaths as much as others. They just turn them into numbers which isn't right but can be expected.

He was on mission for 5 hours on the ambush, but the UKSF stay with the CSF alot out there so its only neutral they were together he just said they seemed to be following the UK infantry regularly only stopping for supplies or they encounter the enemy.UKSF helped out your special forces take over a certain hilltop to gain the advantage over the taliban. And yeah Canada has to be one of the best nations at peace, but going to war to impress someone is a bit pathetic, and to us brits any Commonwealth citizen's death is a big deal because you were apart of our empire, i think Canada was the only country to never revolt against the english :D, and our country doesn't seem to care about taliban deaths as long as it wasn't inhumane like torture.
Well i have to give credit to canada for one i was born there and lived there til i was around 3 then moved to england. Great country you should be proud to be Canadian, Im sure proud being half canadian.

[Zero Cool]

war is worth it u have to have war to survive if we didnt lil crazy country like iran would or even russia would try to take over and that will not happenIran doesn't stand a chance. As soon as a nuke goes off in a U.S. city, it's game over for them. Putin isn't stupid. I am almost certain that he would never start a war with the U.S. It would be the end of both countries.

[billytalentisshweet]

He was on mission for 5 hours on the ambush, but the UKSF stay with the CSF alot out there so its only neutral they were together he just said they seemed to be following the UK infantry regularly only stopping for supplies or they encounter the enemy.UKSF helped out your special forces take over a certain hilltop to gain the advantage over the taliban. And yeah Canada has to be one of the best nations at peace, but going to war to impress someone is a bit pathetic, and to us brits any Commonwealth citizen's death is a big deal because you were apart of our empire, i think Canada was the only country to never revolt against the english :D, and our country doesn't seem to care about taliban deaths as long as it wasn't inhumane like torture.
Well i have to give credit to canada for one i was born there and lived there til i was around 3 then moved to england. Great country you should be proud to be Canadian, Im sure proud being half canadian.

I know it's pathetic, but I'm not the one that elected Harper. I totally disagree with what he is doing in Afganistan, and I feel the same way about his economics. It it was up to me the Green Party would be in power.

[Dylan]

I know it's pathetic, but I'm not the one that elected Harper. I totally disagree with what he is doing in Afganistan, and I feel the same way about his economics. It it was up to me the Green Party would be in power.

I totally disagree with anywars without a main purpose, wars with a main purpose is like WW2 somebody was doing something Inhumane and trying to execute a religion. i think we bmxers should start our own party, a world party, only kick out those who hate extreme sports because they see it as "Long haired, rock loving dickswads" -.-' shame this will never be true.

[Matrix]

war is worth it u have to have war to survive if we didnt lil crazy country like iran would or even russia would try to take over and that will not happen


Wow, someone has a brain. Thats 100% right.

As for the why is some guys life worth mine. If I choose to fight to stop people like Sadam(example) from running the world...and die doing it. So, be it atleast I helped defend my country from his type.

[bmxdowntown16]

why do u think i said it wouldnt happen the u.s is the strongest the mst powerful country and i am proud to live here

[bmxdowntown16]

arnt you

[Dylan]

Wow, someone has a brain. Thats 100% right.

As for the why is some guys life worth mine. If I choose to fight to stop people like Sadam(example) from running the world...and die doing it. So, be it atleast I helped defend my country from his type.

Yeah, but was it likely Saddam could take over the world, come on an army of 5000 foot soldiers is likely to take on the US, No doubt we brits would come to your aide, and Delta Force/SAS is probably THEE ultimate fighting force ever to come around, i know there 2 different army sects but they regularly fight and train with each other, so no doubt you have british support even if some country rose to high power, North korea, Japan and China are the 3 only countries that probably give more resistance and they are very close to each other. But i do agree dying to protect and defend your country and its people is the most honourable way to die. Im just saying UK/US probably the most co-operative armies in the world we could take on majority of the world.

Lucky us brits are in such a strategically unique area, hence why Hitler wanted the United Kingdom so badly. And more to the point US will always have us Brits to rely on :D so don't go thinking America would be the only country taking on some dictator because you have full support from your neighbours across the pond ;)

[Dylan]

why do u think i said it wouldnt happen the u.s is the strongest the mst powerful country and i am proud to live here

This most certainly not true, If so vietnam wouldn't have been a disaster and aswell the north koreans would own your asses, the fact NKS are so diciplined they would charge in thousands towards a a hilltop with Artillery and Heavy Machine gun fire upon them, they would not give up.

You have to admit your not the most diciplined of troops

[Zero Cool]

War isn't necessary. Once humans can get over the fact that no one person can rule the world, the fighting will stop. Besides, no one os going to take over the world anytime soon. There are too many countries that would stop that from happening very quickly.

In terms of missile defenses, we are the most powerful in the world. However, Russia isn't all that far behind.

[Dylan]

War isn't necessary. Once humans can get over the fact that no one person can rule the world, the fighting will stop. Besides, no one os going to take over the world anytime soon. There are too many countries that would stop that from happening very quickly.

In terms of missile defenses, we are the most powerful in the world. However, Russia isn't all that far behind.

Im not being funny, the reason you guys have LOADS of missle defences is because your paranoid about another pearl harbour, ever since your Air Defences went up 75%. I heard about a theory on National Geographic channel this show about theories and conspiracies that America is preparing itself from alien invasion, i highly doubt this though.

The russians are trying to regain the "most powerful army in the world" title by improving inland and outland defences (outland defences meaning there fighting force the infantry), since the cold war you have made them realise how war is easily made.

[bmxdowntown16]

the north koreans would get there asses handed to theme

[bmxdowntown16]

thhe russans dont have anything on us there leader knows wut will happen to theme

[billytalentisshweet]

I meant if you were a person getting bombed in 'x' 'terrorist' country.

If you think that a country the size of Iran presents a challenge to American hedgemony then you should probably think again.

[bmxdowntown16]

i hate iran

[Dylan]

thhe russans dont have anything on us there leader knows wut will happen to theme

Russia can take you guys on, Russia isn't a supposedly shit army, they're highly trained highly diciplined and for one would love to take on you guys so don't go all we would own them, think about Vietnam, they underestimated the VC what makes you think you would fool the USSR?

You have to respect your enemies armies, if not you will most probably lose, I.E. Vietnam.

[Dylan]

Iran doesn't stand a chance. As soon as a nuke goes off in a U.S. city, it's game over for them. Putin isn't stupid. I am almost certain that he would never start a war with the U.S. It would be the end of both countries.

More than 2, UK forces would follow you in meaning if they did nuke you, they will most certainly nuke a small island, for the Oil BP is raising oil soon for the fact they are running out. once the invasion of Iran starts, BP will be fine selling more than shell.

Everyone can say there will be an urge to invade Iran.

[Zero Cool]

National Geographic channel this show about theories and conspiracies that America is preparing itself from alien invasion, i highly doubt this though.Lol, I hope not. I'm assuming that we are just trying to keep up with Russia seeing that they may have weapons that are more advanced than ours.

Bmxdowntown - Don't start saying stupid shit. Russia's "president" is Vladimir Putin. He has some long middle name that I forget... :lol: Anyway, Russia does have a huge chance. They could take on the U.S. but might not (or could) win. Either way, it would be the end of both countries. You shouldn't worry about it though. The only way a nuclear war would start is if something happens between Iran/U.S./UK or Iran/Israel. Hopefully the problem would be solved in a less violent manner.

I don't really get why we are in Afghanistan. No one can beat them in a war, they fight like dogs. I don't think that anyone has beat them in a war since Alexander the Great conquered them.

[Zero Cool]

You have to respect your enemies armies, if not you will most probably lose, I.E. Vietnam.Yep, and Afghanistan.

[bmxdowntown16]

i lnow russia has a very good military but that not wut i ment

[Zero Cool]

Then what do you mean?

[bmxdowntown16]

like u said it would **** up both country's