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ectolo
11-14-2006, 08:56 PM
When do you say no?

If you have been riding for more than one month in a reasonably populated area, chances are you have met other riders, and chances are a better rider was present. If what I said before is true, you have most also likely thought “I wish I could do that”.

This has happened to me; I started riding, and soon endured the wet and miserable 12 miles cycle to my nearest skate-park, which upon arriving I almost mistook for a month old pot of Scottish broth. I peered round the corner only to see a worn down collection of wood loosely head together by some hair pins. Even though I had endured 12 miles of hell with a 20lbs bag on my back (not a shop insight for food, so lunch and 4 litres of water for the day plus our tools) I was still dazed by this sight.

I sat down for ten minutes or so and rested myself, took a large mouthful of water and set off. I grabbed my bike and parked myself on top of the flat-bank. Whilst waiting for an opportunity to throw myself down the steep embankment and hurdle up the jump-box not far away from the bottom, I watched on in bewilderment at the other riders. Playing about on the mini-ramp like they themselves where made of rubber, and the word pain made no sense to them what-so-ever. Their confidence did them well however, for seven-twenty tire-taps to fackie where landed, and people did make their bikes go above them in an inverted table. I looked back at my line and it was free, I launched myself down the bank, pedalling hard the whole time twisting in some contortioned manor when I left the quarter pipe at the beginning of the jump box. After these steps where complete the most predictable of things happened, I fell. Landing on my back a very short time after setting off on what I thought would be a great moment of my life all I can remember thinking is “How, how did that happen and why can’t I be like the others.HOOK

The answer is very simple and nearly every person on this earth could answer my thoughts, I was out of league, jumping into deep water not knowing how to swim. Sure I had jumped down a few stairs before, me and my friend also erected a few “jumps” but they did so little for me in the way of experience I might as well have been counting the number of stones on the ground. I was beat.

I didn’t do much for the rest of the day, kept myself to myself and learnt what to do when going from horizontal to vertical. It started to come to me a little more with each gentle flow up and down the 9ft quarter. I eventually got a little confidence back up and took myself to the top of the flat-bank for one more try. I got my line and pushed on, this time I soaked a little transition with my knee’s and let them pop at the lip, setting myself into a beautiful path to the other side. Excellent, mission successful.

That was my first visit to a park and the first time I had been exposed to someone who could tell me what a bike was made of and why it was better than other material. It was the first time I had seen someone hop about on their back wheel before gracefully re-entering a mini pipe. It was as far as I am concerned a perfect first go.

Around two weeks later I returned to the skate-park. The same people as last time where there, and a small nod was received from each of them as I got on my bike. A little cruise round the place to make sure I hadn’t forgotten how to do anything and I was right back where I started, the top of the flat bank. I went down it and succeeded, and again, only a little harder and so forth. An hour or so later and I was doing pretty well, had a good bit of height plus some control. I felt I had accomplished something. After this I cycled over to the mini-ramp to say hello to few of the others.

After a brief conversation he had me convinced to try the spine. He had my confidence shooting through the roof with smart little comments such as “it’s easy dude, everyone can do it”. Obviously it still took me a while to try, but when I finally got my whit about me I leapt onto my bike and scrambled down the ¼. When I hit the spine I hadn’t a clue what I was doing, the person which had been egging me on to do it had failed to explain the difference between the jump box and it and so of course gravity won. In fact not only did gravity win it completely beat me to hell and back, acting as if it where no different from the jump box I landed level on other side, my bike shot out in front of me. After this a little bit of human instinct kicked in and a put my arms out behind me to break my fall, I landed on wrist, fracturing my lower arm.

The whole point of this article is to ask a question: When is the right time to say no? I learnt my lesson then and try to be more cautious when learning new tricks. The problem is everyone wants to progress, the sport can become monotones otherwise, especially with entry level riders with a limited trick bag. With people aspiring to be better, do others really need to try and convince to do bigger and better things? Of course a little encouragement can help anyone along the way, but where do you draw the line on what you can do, might be able to do and what is simply out of your league?

~ Stephen (ectolo) McCartney

Butter_Nutts
11-14-2006, 09:08 PM
nice one :wink:

loosechange
11-14-2006, 10:38 PM
good post ectolo. long, but good. i think learning one's own personal abilities and capabilities come w/ time and experience, just like the experience itself.

ryry702
11-14-2006, 10:38 PM
wow so true. i dont have enough ballz to even try the spine.

fastgreg
11-14-2006, 11:41 PM
nice dude, prob 80% of beginners do something like this. i know i did, but it was a nutshot to the top tube :ouch: instead of broken bone....lol...(bad pun) thanx for posting this!

DislikesSkaters
11-14-2006, 11:49 PM
Really good post. It really sucks when you feel like you're not learning anything new and can't do anything about it.

ectolo
11-15-2006, 12:18 AM
after i got back to riding after that little injury the spine was actually quite simple once it was explained to me, quite ironic. thanks for the positive feedback

AsteriskBikeCo
11-15-2006, 12:28 AM
ya, i had that, still kinda do at times, it sucked, i got over it and just ride for fun... and i say screw the asshats that make fun of you...

KoolAidGuy
11-15-2006, 03:21 AM
this reminds me of when i was trying to learn to air a qp, so i asked this one guy(sponsered by hoffman btw) how to do it and he said just pedal and go fast and turn

well, long story short, i fell

ParkLife
11-15-2006, 12:00 PM
I had that today at my local.
This little 12yr old was doing 7ft air turdowns and motowhips and it almost shat me to tears!
And he WAS 12.::oops:
Alothough I learned a clean Air 180 today.

Scottehrm
11-15-2006, 01:01 PM
lol...

Scottehrm
11-15-2006, 01:01 PM
ectolo you type too much!!!!

ectolo
11-16-2006, 01:20 AM
lol can't remember that ever becoming a sin, just wanted to tell a wee story and aska serious question at the same time

NEWRIDE
11-17-2006, 06:18 AM
So, moral of the story? DO push your limits and progress freely, but make sure you know what your doing before trying.

Ironically, last monday was my first day at the park and I'm planning on going again this weekend. It was fun as hell, even though all I learned was to drop in and get on the deck of the 5ft quarter. I'm planning on trying air outs this time and anything else I feel like doing.

Any further tips?

ectolo
11-18-2006, 02:32 AM
airing out of a 1/4 is more difficult than most people give credit

grinding2kill
11-18-2006, 03:31 AM
nice dude, prob 80% of beginners do something like this. i know i did, but it was a nutshot to the top tube :ouch: instead of broken bone....lol...(bad pun) thanx for posting this!

agreed

Vert Street 1202
11-21-2006, 03:12 AM
NIce post man its true. I almost grew the balls 2 try a spine yeterday :(

SHARDS
11-21-2006, 08:40 PM
Now he's read this and thought f**k it !

Nice little story that, did you type it all with 1 hand then ?

tafkin
11-21-2006, 09:56 PM
that was really nice, ur a good writer

VenomDB
11-21-2006, 11:21 PM
you should know your own limitations, and how good you really are. if you know your not up to that level to even start attempting things.. then say no

ectolo
11-22-2006, 01:18 AM
Now he's read this and thought f**k it !

Nice little story that, did you type it all with 1 hand then ?

This was sometime ago, over year now, have been fully recovered and broke my ankle since. Thanks for the comments guys, it is nice to know there are people who appreciate a fellow riders story.

Zata
11-27-2006, 02:53 AM
good story, some good metaphors and similys also. glad to hear you are better. have you mastered the spine yet?

BMXMB
11-28-2006, 05:07 PM
great great post!

moes
11-30-2006, 02:25 AM
dude that sucks that u got hurt, nice article though

ectolo
12-04-2006, 07:44 PM
Thank you for the feedback

Tijmen
12-04-2006, 08:50 PM
nice.

i also have this,
you go to the park and you think i gonna do this and that, but i just don't have the balls. it pisses me realy of.

mastercoryd
12-06-2006, 06:39 PM
i think ure right in an extent, like u shouldnt go try to 360 a spine if u cant even 360, but i dont think u should be a pussy about it and like not try a spine go for shit like that its just a different ramp obstacle or ure not gonna progress just dont do shit thats like impossible for u

Erresen
12-07-2006, 08:48 PM
i half agree. u shouldn't try things that u obviously can't do, like i don't try and grind hand rails, cos i know i can't do it yet. i can't hop high enough and i haven't got low rails dialled yet. but i think that u've gotta try stuff otherwise progression is very very slow. u prob won't get it first time and if u do it'll prob be a fluke, but if u don't try it then u'll never learn.

ectolo
12-08-2006, 12:07 AM
Yes, i can see where you are coming from. I do feel that some people are maybe taking this in the wrong light. I am very keen to try new things, it's the reason for trying them and the caution taken when doing so that i am discussing here. Just because somebody else can do doesn't mean you can. No one should follow the monkey see monkey do cliché.

social
02-19-2007, 01:14 AM
Yeah I get ya man. So people progess faster then others so don`t get yourself down becuase you have been riding for like 8 months and can barly 180. And your friend can 360 flat and hes been ridign 2 motnhs short then you.

Hellfury
02-23-2007, 09:00 PM
SHIT i had the same thing today, i went to downtown (we dont have riders at all here) and met some guys with freeride bikes that was throwing wheelies and stuff (total noobs)
so i talk to them and one of them ask me if i can "jump and turn around"
so i ask him: you mean 180?
he says: yes yes!
so i throw a nice 180, all of them were shocked (even me cause ive landed it, lol, been doing them for like 2 weeks now)
so one of them (the "coolest" one) says: hey, go straight to these stairs (a set which is about stem height) and jump! you can! come on come on do it dude! so i just told him NO and he relaxed...
also 2 of them was a little better then the other 2... so they try to teach them stuff like how to do tricks "better" by doing them slowly and not on a high speed...
i just took myself and ridden away

RideAndLive
03-10-2007, 09:46 PM
awesome!
i know EXACTLY what you mean.

roperfan
04-28-2007, 12:10 PM
ectolo bro, i can relate to that like a cat in a bag can relate to another cat in the same bag. its gonna go up and downers hey. awesome post yo.

Wombles
04-28-2007, 12:48 PM
good post.... i have the same sorta prob.... prob is that i wont try doin it again... stupid drop ins...

stecolony
04-28-2007, 12:51 PM
im prety much the exact same went thru that stage where u feel like ur not learning anything and u dont know how to stop it..

ectolo
05-14-2007, 04:09 AM
thank you, i think everyone goes through it at one stage or snother just how they act upon which differs

JustinCarter
05-14-2007, 04:18 AM
Yea the good old line " Its easy dude anyone can do it " Can get to you.. Though most of the time the other riders dont want to see you get hurt just giving you some encouragment. Sometimes its good sometimes its bad.

seanmcguire
05-14-2007, 04:50 AM
Yea the good old line " Its easy dude anyone can do it " Can get to you.. Though most of the time the other riders dont want to see you get hurt just giving you some encouragment. Sometimes its good sometimes its bad.

happy b-day

Korey
06-22-2007, 10:41 AM
I learnt kinda the same way. I learnt airing a 1/2 pipe before a quater...A half pipe is easy for me then a 1/4.

ectolo
06-23-2007, 11:01 AM
Yea, it can be easier to air out of a ramp with a bit of vert on it, rather than just mellow 1/4, you find it kicks ou up more, and that you are more stable in the air. once again guys must just say thank you for the response

bmxer608
07-04-2007, 10:50 PM
ya, i had that, still kinda do at times, it sucked, i got over it and just ride for fun... and i say screw the asshats that make fun of you...

That is the best thing that could be said, Thank You