[News] Fly Seat and Post

[Chris]

here is another part that we´ve been working for soooo long. Almost 3 years! But inally it´s almost done. our seat.


The reason why it has took so long is because we have designed all the parts of it so it required a lot of time on designing and lots of molds.


Here is the seat post too. The testing is finished for some time now but we wanted to wait until the seat to offer them altogether.


I´ll explain you all the details on both parts soon. There is no rush because i´m afraid that they will not be available until next june. I´m sorry… we´ll keep you informed about this.

[Carsten Bonde]

I like it... Propley gonna be my next :D

[Tijmen]

i realy like it that's gonna be my next seat and seat post

[KoolAidGuy]

like the post but not the seat

[mtn]

how do you tighten the seat post?

[ATP]

My hunch is eiher through the seat post tube or somehow through the topof the set like pivotal seats.

[fairtrade]

So they just ripped off the Macneil standard?

Ah well.

Looks good though, but pivotal is the way forward.

3 years too late.

[Chris]

thats what i thought, its very similair to the macneil. but i like how they have kept the use of old seats. im not a big fan of the macneil seats, they all look the same. even those being made by other companies.

[AaronBMX]

looks clean

[mtn]

i still don't see how it works...

[highstakes_lowrider]

it looks good, it sucks that its not coming till next june, i dont understand how it works either:?

[DkJoshy]

i bet you set the seat up and then twist the post to tighten down the guts.

[sam8madness]

That be pretty rad if thats how it works. Its the only thing i can see making real sense.

[dirtmunkee]

Maybe a long screwdriver through from the bottom of the tube?

[my name is joe]

So they just ripped off the Macneil standard?

Ah well.

Looks good though, but pivotal is the way forward.

3 years too late.

not neccesarly. The way the "old" seatpost goes has ridges that connect each other and wont move. they just took it externally. Two ideas of diffrent people even across the pond may be similar. Maybe info on the macneil leaked 3 years ago. Even if fly did steal the idea its nice how they took the macneil to the next level.

[sixdegrees]

If you loook carefully at the under side of the nose of the seat you'll see an allen bolt. I'm guessing that you undo this and then clamp the rails on, thens slide the seat onto the rails at the back and then lock down the front with the allen bolt.

there's no point for that allen bolt unless you undo it and take the seat off the rails !

:)

[punk_porcupine]

If you loook carefully at the under side of the nose of the seat you'll see an allen bolt. I'm guessing that you undo this and then clamp the rails on, thens slide the seat onto the rails at the back and then lock down the front with the allen bolt.

there's no point for that allen bolt unless you undo it and take the seat off the rails !

:)

That is just so you can replace the rails which seem to go the most on seats.

The post is meant to do up from the underneath. Hence the shortness of it.

[NFC]

dont mean to bring up old threads but it would be pointless if i made a new one. i was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the realease date on these or any new info. thanks, james

[moes]

That is just so you can replace the rails which seem to go the most on seats.

The post is meant to do up from the underneath. Hence the shortness of it.

Actually I think those bolts are to hold the covering on rather than staples... that is how my old specialized seat worked.

[ATP]

i want that post soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. The seats badass too. Anybody know a estimate of when it comes out?

[joey-bmx]

I like the post but not so keen on the seat.

[gtbmx0222]

i think its like a combination of pivotal and conventional where it like tightens like a pivotal through the top but that clamps the rail clamps and the lean forward and back thing works like a pivotal. i dont think its a rip off of macneil, but its a better idea bc i dont own a pivotal seat but i dont think you can adjust it forward to rear like a conventional seat?

[Chris]

it tightens from the bottom, this is a better idea than macneils as you can still use good seats, like shadow slim, and the primo balance and that new primo seat which looks tastey!

[Dirty Dan]

i love the seat and its design, but fly should come out with a macneil capital or fat capital sized seat, but im definately getting that seatpost when it comes out tho

[rideohio]

i love the seat and its design, but fly should come out with a macneil capital or fat capital sized seat, but im definately getting that seatpost when it comes out tho
You do know you can use any conventional seat with the post right? There should be one seat that you like then.

[Beanie]

i find the macneil and the copy seat/posts to be boring, all of the macneil type seatposts are just macneils with "....."'s name on it.... which is dumb, the seats arnt that great looking either.

this post looks nice, but the whole taking the seat off its rails to tighten or loosen isnt that great to me, ill stick with my hinged year and a half old odyssey intac that uses 1 bolt and doesnt require the seat to be taken off its rails :hmm:

[Getaway]

Definetly my next seatpost but the seat looks loooooong... : /

[Matrix]

I never looked that close at this...till now.


I love the seat shape(anyone know if it's avl. in Kevlar). Alot like my MTB seat that is ever so comfy, yet never gets in my way.

Plus, with this seat, you have more options to adjust than with a piv. type.

[Dirty Dan]

You do know you can use any conventional seat with the post right? There should be one seat that you like then.

yea i know, i just am saying i like the way the fly seat looks and its design features, its just too slim for me, and if fly had a little bit fatter seat i would buy it

[SeattleBMX]

thats lookin pretty damn good

[METAL]

when is thing coming out?
I am it's time to get a new seat,and I don't want the same macneil,but all the other ones look like poopy.

[Tricky_ab]

I like the post...

[HBkid]

I like the entire thing. I think it's a really good step to be able to move the seat front to back and up and down, as opposed to Macneil where it only goes up and down. I'm ready to see what companys are planning to get the seats so sit as low to the top tube as possible. There will probably be some crazy inventions dealing with that soon.

[FT rider]

THis is a wicked idea, because the macneil post are so good but the seats are so shit. Well done fly, you actually did soemthing good!Except my hunch is that theyr gonna sell it for bare cash and it may break. But whatever also it looks kinda short.

Ok that sounded a bit harsh but it seems that fly just brigns out whatevers fashionable at the time for high price and shit that snaps, maybe im wrong though, fly have done good stuff, like the first pantera etc.

[freecoasterkid]

i always thought fly stuff was good?
i ride a V1 pantera and its shweet.

i think im gonna get this stuff.
anyone know when it comes out though?

[Meeuwissen1]

I like the seat but i dont really get the point of the post. Looks clean and light though.

[dr satan]

i wanna run the post with a junior. that would be hell light.

[ParkLife]

That post is AWESOME!

I am going to fu*k my no name off real soon.

[ParkLife]

THis is a wicked idea, because the macneil post are so good but the seats are so shit. Well done fly, you actually did soemthing good!Except my hunch is that theyr gonna sell it for bare cash and it may break. But whatever also it looks kinda short.

Ok that sounded a bit harsh but it seems that fly just brigns out whatevers fashionable at the time for high price and shit that snaps, maybe im wrong though, fly have done good stuff, like the first pantera etc.

Another Fly bagger, who has probs never even ridden anything Fly.

[FT rider]

^^^^^^^
I bet you only defend fly because you own one, when it cracks your gonna be mighty pissed. I have ridden fly parts actually, so dont make assumptions. I had a mosca, pretty much the whole rear triangle snapped off. I know four or five others who have also had flys and they snapped. If you ride any hard street on them, theyr gone.
Also i firmly believe they bring out a lot of pointless shit, like that bashgaurd thing, its ridiculous, its like putting stabilisers on. The pedals too, itsl ike what the **** 70 for a bit of griptape you must be joking.

[METAL]

^^^^^^^
I bet you only defend fly because you own one, when it cracks your gonna be mighty pissed. I have ridden fly parts actually, so dont make assumptions. I had a mosca, pretty much the whole rear triangle snapped off. I know four or five others who have also had flys and they snapped. If you ride any hard street on them, theyr gone.
Also i firmly believe they bring out a lot of pointless shit, like that bashgaurd thing, its ridiculous, its like putting stabilisers on. The pedals too, itsl ike what the **** 70 for a bit of griptape you must be joking.



you have to be kidding.

there intended to be ridden FAR smoother them some fools use them.if your ruff on parts,or land hard look elsewhere.FLY frames are for smooth/dialed riders.

you break one of their frames,then you deserve it,maybe you should be ridding something for the more haggard rider?
I like their parts and frames,but I am to ruff for them,so I only use some of their other things like grips,brakes,sprockets,tires,stems.

[ATP]

^^^^^^^
I bet you only defend fly because you own one, when it cracks your gonna be mighty pissed. I have ridden fly parts actually, so dont make assumptions. I had a mosca, pretty much the whole rear triangle snapped off. I know four or five others who have also had flys and they snapped. If you ride any hard street on them, theyr gone.
Also i firmly believe they bring out a lot of pointless shit, like that bashgaurd thing, its ridiculous, its like putting stabilisers on. The pedals too, itsl ike what the **** 70 for a bit of griptape you must be joking.

As Metal said...Fly's aren't ntended for rough people. The bashguard, is clever, and for some people its a great innovation. Obviously not for you. The pedals cost so much because of their machining, size, and weight. Something with that much detail isnt going to be $50. You completely bias'd against Fly, and don't really make much sense.

[FT rider]

How do i not make any sense?Explain......
Also i think its rude of you to call me a fool, so dont do it, this isn't personal.
Thats a very silly argument youv made. Thats like saying diamondbacks are incredible, but you should only get one if you dont intend to do any riding whatsoever. If a company says a frame can ride street then it should be able to. Im reasonbly smooth i would think, i dont break stuff very often. I do ride street but that doesnt mean i throw my bike about alot or land sketch on stuff.
The bashgaurd is not particularly clever i dont think. In facti think its cheating, how ridiculously easy does that make sprocket stalls and tricks?Also its not very innovative either, because nobody has ever done that before right?
About the pedals whats so innovative about them?They are about 4oz lighter than most platforms, for like 50 extra thats a pisstake.
Also what is with them selling coloured headset cups, no bearigns just the cups for about £15, **** that.

[METAL]

How do i not make any sense?Explain......
Also i think its rude of you to call me a fool, so dont do it, this isn't personal.
Thats a very silly argument youv made. Thats like saying diamondbacks are incredible, but you should only get one if you dont intend to do any riding whatsoever. If a company says a frame can ride street then it should be able to. Im reasonbly smooth i would think, i dont break stuff very often. I do ride street but that doesnt mean i throw my bike about alot or land sketch on stuff.
The bashgaurd is not particularly clever i dont think. In facti think its cheating, how ridiculously easy does that make sprocket stalls and tricks?Also its not very innovative either, because nobody has ever done that before right?
About the pedals whats so innovative about them?They are about 4oz lighter than most platforms, for like 50 extra thats a pisstake.
Also what is with them selling coloured headset cups, no bearigns just the cups for about £15, **** that.


have you ever heard the phrase "pick the right tool for the job"?
the street the fly team ride is a completely different style then what we ride.they pride themselves on being smooth,and pure tech.

the guard,cheating?then so is pegs.I grind,a lot actually,but I don't ride pegs.it makes it to easy,so your cheating.

as for their other parts,yeah the pedal cost more,but are what they should cost for a CNC'd pedal.you disagree,look at comparable pedals like the "ATOMLAB TRAILKING".

the HS,it's only logical to sell it this way.If I have a integrated HS,and suddenly I decide I like the look of the FLY piece then I can get it without having to purchase a hole HS,and again the price is completely reasonable for a CNC'd anodized piece.

[FT rider]

Haha, that is ridiculous. So if i buy a street frame from fly, i have to ride the same stuff they do, and they are allowed to bring out inferior quality frames, because its actually me riding the wrong thing. If a company claims a frame is for street, then it should be. Otherwise it would say:this frame is made for only riding certain obstacles occasionally in a certain way and doing only certain tricks on them. Thats moronic, you must realise that. IF A COMPANY CLAIMS A FRAME IS FOR STREET YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE STREET ON IT. Clearly.
Np pegs arent cheating, try doing a crooks without them.
Who said im not smooth on street either, i think i am as i already stated, fair enough, if i had picked up a dirt frame or a flatland one and broke it then there would be no reason to complain, but this frame said it was for street.
The headset, no its not sensible quite obviously. the cups dont break nearly as much as the bearings, and the bearings are the bit that actually matter, hence the sensible way round is to sell just bearings, or to seel the whole thing. And no the price is not reasonable i can get a complete headset for the same. But to be honest maybe you dont give a shit about the bearings working or not and just how the bike looks, because its more important to be fashionable right?

[Busades]

Ok guys, I hate when you all spew out completely random facts that are complete bull. Lets dispel some of the topics you are bringing up.

1) Why are fly pedals so expensive?
Fly pedals are a extruded and then heavily machined. Machining is not cheap, and so the cost of the fly pedal is a lot more than your average pedal.

2) Should fly pedals be so expensive?
No, there are so many small details in the machining that they could have easily cut out. For that extra 2-3 grams per pedal more they could have cut them machining time in half.

3) Why are the plates on the mosca, and 3 amigos good?
No, its the inverse, they are TERRIBLE!!! Plates at best weight the same as a tube or much much more. That being said they are also FAR weaker in every way. I have no idea why so many people latch onto this trend, and then complain about frames being not strong enough.

4) The fly top tube seat stay junction is the best ever!
No, no, no! They almost had the idea right but the small mistake they made created one of the weakest junctions. The way in which they welded the tubing made that junction prone to cracking. They stuffed the seat stay tubes inside the top tube and then welded the top tube around that seem. The Sunday version of the junction is properly cut and welded and is the strongest junction possible.

5) The internal gusset works!
No, the internal gusset fails serve the main purpose for having a gusset. The idea of a gusset is to take the stress away from the of the headtube and down tube. A normal gusset takes the stress off the weld on the town tube and distributes it down the length of the gusset till the open end of it. Having a internal gusset does not take the stress away from that weld at the headtube and down tube.

So what can we gather from this?
Well instead of saying that a rider broke the frame since it was made for smooth riders why don't you look at the construction of the frame. Dont buy into the hype. Rethink why no one has done these ideas before, or why they are not more common.

[ATP]

Ok guys, I hate when you all spew out completely random facts that are complete bull. Lets dispel some of the topics you are bringing up.

1) Why are fly pedals so expensive?
Fly pedals are a extruded and then heavily machined. Machining is not cheap, and so the cost of the fly pedal is a lot more than your average pedal.
This was stated
2) Should fly pedals be so expensive?
No, there are so many small details in the machining that they could have easily cut out. For that extra 2-3 grams per pedal more they could have cut them machining time in half.
They obviously were targeting the people who wanted lighter pedals
3) Why are the plates on the mosca, and 3 amigos good?
No, its the inverse, they are TERRIBLE!!! Plates at best weight the same as a tube or much much more. That being said they are also FAR weaker in every way. I have no idea why so many people latch onto this trend, and then complain about frames being not strong enough.
Agreed
4) The fly top tube seat stay junction is the best ever!
No, no, no! They almost had the idea right but the small mistake they made created one of the weakest junctions. The way in which they welded the tubing made that junction prone to cracking. They stuffed the seat stay tubes inside the top tube and then welded the top tube around that seem. The Sunday version of the junction is properly cut and welded and is the strongest junction possible.
Don't know anything about it...
5) The internal gusset works!
No, the internal gusset fails serve the main purpose for having a gusset. The idea of a gusset is to take the stress away from the of the headtube and down tube. A normal gusset takes the stress off the weld on the town tube and distributes it down the length of the gusset till the open end of it. Having a internal gusset does not take the stress away from that weld at the headtube and down tube.
Completely Agree

So what can we gather from this?
Well instead of saying that a rider broke the frame since it was made for smooth riders why don't you look at the construction of the frame. Dont buy into the hype. Rethink why no one has done these ideas before, or why they are not more common.

^^Good points, but as stated already Fly pedals cost as muchas they do for the machining. We didn't leave that out. And if Fly added the tid-bit of weight back on (by sacrificing some machining on each pedal), they wouldn't meet what they wanted in the pedals design, and the demograph of the weight whores that will easily throwdown the cash for the pedals (I do realize it wouldn't be a large enough margin of weight to make a difference). The pedals are a dumb argument though. You are deffinatly right about the frames, they are not designed as good as they could and should have been. But, I know many who ride Fly's and have no trouble with them, park and street. Some smooth some rough as hell. As for the headset hop-up kit: They are pretty much for looks, or if you for some bizzare reason lose your top cap or race. Many people buy them becuse of the looks and they aren't overpriced. They are machined and annodized which adds onto the price tag. They probably could lower the price, but then they'd lose money, considering people buy them plenty with how much they are.

[05alias]

different but i dont like the seat

[dirkadirka]

that looks so clean. prob my next seat combo

[Busades]

A few of you have be asking when this post is going to come out, well perhaps this is why it wont be for a while, or at all....

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5979978&id=P-oYAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#PRA2-PA2,M1
There is already a patent on that style of seat post held by another company. They are very similar, so fly may be taking their time to insure they can produce their post without infringing on the patent.