Best thing I've heard in a long time...

[babelfish42]

I was supervising a 1st year (of high school) lunchtime club, one of my friends, Fahad, said they were "f*ckin' mental", with distinctly Scottish intonation and syllabic emphasis. I just thought that was amazing, as it was (albeit slightly uncouth) a perfect symbol of multiculturalism: Fahad wouldn't have been able to say that 2 years ago, as he only spoke arabic, and lived in Iraq. His family decided to move over here, as they were fed up with the war, which was "a load of shite" as he describes it. He and his wee brother have totally integrated into the school and society, learning scottish english and become actively involved in tons of stuff at school. Stuff like that gives me a little hope that the world isn't totally mucked up.

[punk_porcupine]

And then on the other side there is my gran whos bigoted views are stupid as she thinks all muslims shouldnt have proper jobs and should have to clean toilets.

I was in East London yesterday and the level of integration is incredible. You have halal fish and chip takeaways for example...

[fairtrade]

Let's keep them speaking Arabic, m'kay?

Guess where they learn their English from? Estate rats, that's where.

Of course, most of them are sensible, but it only takes 5 (or 1) to do damage.

Edit: See elaboration further down...

[babelfish42]

Actually Fahad learned his english at school and in the village he lives in, you bigoted arse. People are people, regardless of ethnicity.

[nathanjbro]

thats so cool, multicultural societys are awesome.

"brooklyn banks, queens and staten,
from the battery to the top of manhattan,
asian, middle eastern and latin,
black, white, new york, you make it happen."

chorus of An Open Letter to NYC by the Beastie boys.

and soz, what are you trying to say fairtrade? im not sure if i, like babelfish misinterpreted ur statement, but it sounds pretty racist to me. whats wrong with people learning english? learn as many languages as you can, its cool and makes the world a better place - communication is the key.

[scottishbmxer]

mate, not the best thing I've herd, best thing he could have said was 'bye' as he left the country...


sorry, i just feel as if Scotland's the dumping ground of immigrants. why should we be allowing all these people into our country, then having to deal with their way of live, cause ours doesn't with theirs? why should we change to make way for how they live? yes i understand that your mate intergrated with us, but majority don't, then try and make (and usually succeed) in making us look like the bad people..... What I'm saying is i personally feel that Scotland (and the whole UK) have more pressing things to consider before allowing others to come live here...send them all to France!


*warning- the above statement contatins opinions that i know many will disagree, but they are my opinions and i am not asking you to agree with them*

[babelfish42]

You obviously have a misunderstanding of demographics: Scotland is a Stage 5 (in the standard demographic change model) country, meaning its population is slowly declining and the working population is the sector of society that is being most reduced. Scotland, and many other economically developed countries, requires immigrants to try and balance its population, and they also bring useful skills. I think Scotland should be as accepting of immigrants as countries such as Canada, America, New Zealand etc have been over the past few centuries. And anyway, all people who identify as "Scottish" are therefore the descendants of immigrants anyway, as the Scots were an Irish tribe, who displaced and conquered the picts (who may have been Scythians anyway!). Assuming that Scotland is a dumping ground for immigrants, and telling them to bugger off home, are views that are sadly still prevalent among certain groups these days, who obviously would rather Scotland remained a cold, boring anglo-saxon bog.

[nathanjbro]

yeh i agree with you babelfish. Apparantly in Melbourne, you can find halal, kosher, japanese, chinese restaurants pretty much anywhere. Multicultural societys are cool, you learn alot more and it opens peoples minds. Its also amazing, i bet in 1900 there was not a single halal, jap, chinese or kosher restaurant to be seen. Its things like that which give me hope that the human race can overcome its problems.

btw, doesnt this more belong in Politics and World Issues section?

Also, i have no problem with immigrants speaking other languages or Muslim women in non Muslim countries wearing Burqas (sp?). I think its awesome that they can come to Western countries so that we can learn more about their culture and religion. What is so wrong with that? also, if they dont speak english, in my opinion, its no worry, they will pick it up quite easily if they try.

Fairtrade, wtf are you saying that they should keep speaking their own language? If someone wants to learn a new language, thats awesome. Dunno why youre so against it.

[punk_porcupine]

Yeh ive moved it to the world issues section now.

If immigrants integrate it is good. When they expect the country to change to what they want it is bad.

[JaseRowley]

I don't mind if other people from other countries come into this country but one thing is they expect to get free house and benefit, meanwhile us british waitin for house almost a year, them got the house the first day they move to UK. Also, they say NHS is rubbish service, but we do our best to give them best service, but they don't even think to compared NHS to their country's hospital service, so immigrant(sp?) should be grateful to be in this country and they should give us the great respect.

[punk_porcupine]

I don't mind if other people from other countries come into this country but one thing is they expect to get free house and benefit, meanwhile us british waitin for house almost a year, them got the house the first day they move to UK. Also, they say NHS is rubbish service, but we do our best to give them best service, but they don't even think to compared NHS to their country's hospital service, so immigrant(sp?) should be grateful to be in this country and they should give us the great respect.

The way to join the BNP is that way -->

[fairtrade]

Damn, I guess I sounded like a **** there :lol:

What I meant to actually say was that they learn to integrate with the wrong people - estate rats. Think the BNP could have even a shred of evidence against them if it were otherwise?

The Iraqi immigrants round here don't know any better, so while they DO learn English (pretty fluently too), they learn how to live from the wrong people, then they get the same views as the people they hang around with, and before you know it, you have a clique of 30 gangsta-wannabes.

In fact, they kicked one of their own to death a while ago, in Hyde Park. Sound like they integrated very well, huh, dipshits? :roll:

Try to look beyond whatever village you're living in, and see that I might have a completely different viewpoint, and a completely different perspective from you as a result, please?

As for Scotland being the dumping ground for immigrants, you're having a laugh. While it qualifys as a dumping ground, not being too involved with anything yet still taking them in, it seems you lot NEED a bit of multiculturalness over there, considering how bigoted that sounds (although I shouldn't be one to talk ::oops: ).

No, they shouldn't not learn English, what I'm saying is that because they come in as the lower class, they hang around with the lower class, and learn from the lowest of the low, the result being BNP on the edge of their seats. Chew over that one. The governments would do well to actually sort out problems inside its own country, rather than going into others and bringing a whole flood of new people ready to cause more problems.

The common sense thing to have done would be to either not have gone into Iraq and opened up a can of worms, or go into Iraq, and actually hit their intended targets rather than blowing civillian houses to shit. For every civillian house killed, don't you think that about 3 housefuls would then decide to immigrate as soon as they got the chance?


Regardless of ethnicity (because of course, Mr Babelfish, looking different makes you completely diverse), people aren't people, they're drones with feelings, until they start thinking for themselves and engage their brains, and stop buckling to outside pressure. Sheep/gang mentality needs to stop.

[JonJon4420]

the following statements are directed at scottishbmxer i realise being racist towards scotts because of one third generation lowlife, but the following statements are made to prove a point and do not necessarilly reflect literally the thoughts and opinions of jonjon4420


mate, not the best thing I've herd, best thing he could have said was 'bye' as he left the country...


sorry, i just feel as if Scotland's the dumping ground of immigrants. why should we be allowing all these people into our country.
to make scotland better and to dilluite the gene pool to breed higher intelligence and get rid of the sheep ****ing inbred racists like you. why dont you join the IRA you potatoe eating mick.... (ps i know thw ira is irish republican army im just trying to be as ignorant as you)


and make (and usually succeed) in making us look like the bad people..... What I'm saying is i personally feel that Scotland (and the whole UK) have more pressing things to consider before allowing others to come live here...send them all to France!


*warning- the above statement contatins opinions that i know many will disagree, but they are my opinions and i am not asking you to agree with them*
**** at least morst indians and arabs are smart businessmen, computer techs and finacial reps who are feeding your economy, instead of spending the social services money on alcohol. the only thing scotts are good at is bagpipes at funerals, plaid, and caber tossing. and two of those things suck. they also never go to work the only reason scotland isnt a third world drunk tank is because the immigrants are feeding your economy....


on a brighter note i also enjoy the integration of cultures toronto is the most balanced and culturally diverse city in the world, we got everyone newyorks got plus all the people the states wont take like cubans.
you can get halal almost everywhere here, kosher too we even have a fast food chain for nathanjbro kosherking kosher burgers

[fairtrade]

I'm not scottish :lol:

[JaseRowley]

Yeah, punk_porcupine's totally right! BNP is best one but unfortunalety i'm 15 so cannot vote for BNP! lol!

[JonJon4420]

I'm not scottish :lol:

fixed, sorry for insulting you my good man :)

[punk_porcupine]

Yeah, punk_porcupine's totally right! BNP is best one but unfortunalety i'm 15 so cannot vote for BNP! lol!

I feel the need to clarify something.

I do NOT think the BNP is best. In fact i think they are the worst possible.

Its people like you who want to vote BNP that create the troubles that they thrive upon.

Thank you for your time...

[fairtrade]

Suppose the BNP gets in power.

Alright, all immigrants are out of the country, now what?

Err...


Um...


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Yeah, trying to get into power to achieve just one thing is stupid and pointless. You wouldn't become a president just so you could get free milkshakes, would you?

[babelfish42]

I don't mind if other people from other countries come into this country but one thing is they expect to get free house and benefit, meanwhile us british waitin for house almost a year, them got the house the first day they move to UK. Also, they say NHS is rubbish service, but we do our best to give them best service, but they don't even think to compared NHS to their country's hospital service, so immigrant(sp?) should be grateful to be in this country and they should give us the great respect.

Speaking of English, is it your first language?

Could you perhaps quote some examples of this mass corruption that I've been so unaware of? Actually, quite a number of people who say that the NHS is rubbish, but at least it isn't as bad as the US health service. I highly doubt every immigrant expects to get a council house instantly, or to live off benefits.

[punk_porcupine]

Suppose the BNP gets in power.

Alright, all immigrants are out of the country, now what?

Err...

Um...

Yeah, trying to get into power to achieve just one thing is stupid and pointless. You wouldn't become a president just so you could get free milkshakes, would you?

Yeh its almost as bad as UKIP. If they can do their manifesto pledge it would make them jobless so it is pointless.

Single issue parties suck.

Now the monster raving loony party on the other hand...

[JonJon4420]

I highly doubt every immigrant expects to get a council house instantly, or to live off benefits.

not alot of imigrants expect handouts, it costs them lots of dough to immigrate dough that they make themselves. its been proven that immigrants work harder and for the most part are more studiouse theire kids are more likely to go to seek post secondary education than local kids.

if all the immigrants left scotland would have no bankers, no engineers, nobody to do the jobs that require a higher than grade 10 education.

stay the Truck out of the pub and go to school. before the immigrants deport YOU, for being a vagrant.

[kaptajnen]

...I was in East London yesterday and the level of integration is incredible. You have halal fish and chip takeaways for example...

well.. have u ever heard of a pork-fish or what?

its the same as saying u can have halal potatos dude wtf?:lol:

as far as I know halal means "without pork in it"

[Bristol]

most of you have a completely mis guided veiw. its not just becuse you are an immagrant that you come to this country and expect money and a house... thats just people at the end of the day.

if the bnp were in power and kick out all imigrants then we wouldnt have loads of little wars inside the country like one an other fighting in the streets, there would be one big war like a full scale attack on each country.

There are people that go to far - preston is a great example. people there live in almost segregation. there are parts where you will no find an asia person, and parts where you will no find a white person. but thats just people sticking together in groups becasue that is all they know, its not because they hate white or asian people, but some do and influence other and then they are bought up to think like that and you end up with the world we live in now.

[punk_porcupine]

If the BNP get into power (which they never will) then there will be a civil war. Simple as that really.