War in Israel Part 2

[billytalentisshweet]

Since someone had to turn the previous thread into a religious debate and get it locked, I'll take it upon myself to make a new one.

Heres a video about the conflict, but I have only watched a half hour of it so far but I'll put it up for others. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

[nathanjbro]

cool, i was waiting for this thread to happen.... again!

please, no-one turn this into a religious flame fest. I would just like to say that not all Muslims are bad - i have a Muslim friend, Iraqi, it would be hard to find a nicer person. Just as there are extremist Muslims, there are extremist people in other religions too. DO NOT USE THIS DEBATE TO FLAME A PARTICULAR RELIGION: you must realise that most Muslim people are not extremist.

im watching the video..... very sad whats going on. ill post more wen ive finished watching. although i support Israel, i acknowledge that very sad things are going on in the region.

[fairtrade]

The Iranian president seems to be getting demented, he's one crazy f*cker at times. There was me thinking he was quite good at the start :?

[billytalentisshweet]

Everyone has some insanity in them, it's just more prominent in some.

[billytalentisshweet]

The war that we are discussing is not about religion, but about land. Israel is occupieing a bunch of Lebanese land and has been since the 80's I beleive. (don't quote me on that) Hizbollah was funded to try and drive out the Israel army presence. Since then Israel hasn't left and there have been a few flare ups of violence and many lives have been taken. This one I think is about the Israelie govt. trying to flex their muscles to the rest of the world, or possibly an attempt to gain more land.

[fairtrade]

For all the persecution people went through during and before the formation of Israel, they certainly aren't doing themselves favours now, are they?

[fairtrade]

Here's one for NathanJbro

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Ahmadinejad_oversleeps%2C_forgets_to_destro y_world

Schweet!

[billytalentisshweet]

Here's one for NathanJbro

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Ahmadinejad_oversleeps%2C_forgets_to_destro y_world

Schweet!

Haha, "and instead watched cricket on tv."

[billytalentisshweet]

Lebanese Scientist: Israeli Bomb Contained Radioactive Materials
The Daily Star of Beirut is reporting a leading Lebanese scientist has discovered a crater caused by an Israeli bomb that contains a high degree of unidentified radioactive materials. The bomb landed in the Lebanese town of Khiam. It caused a crater 10 feet deep and 30 feet wide. The National Council for Scientific Research is planning to test samples from the site.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/22/1421201

[billytalentisshweet]

Here's somthing interesting for all of thoes who said Hizbollah was using human sheilds. (near the bottom of the page)

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/1425205

AMY GOODMAN: And Israel's charge that Hezbollah used people as human shields, that they embedded themselves in the civilian population so that everyone was a target?

MARTY ROSENBLUTH: Well, if it were true -- and again, we're still working on documenting that. And I’m not saying it didn't happen. Let's be really clear on that. We're still trying to investigate the extent to which Hezbollah did use civilians as human shields. And if this was true, it would, in fact, be a war crime. But that does not remove from Israel the responsibility to protect civilians. It can't be used as a blanket excuse. So if Israel says, well, there was one Hezbollah fighter in a building, that does not give them the right to level the entire neighborhood to try to target that one fighter. Again, the principle of proportionality, where you have to balance the military objective against the effect on civilians, comes into play. So, I mean, the Israelis essentially have used the argument that Hezbollah is shielding amongst a civilian population to -- in the south, to level entire villages, you know, destroying about 80%, in some cases, of the houses in the village. That's not a legitimate interpretation of the laws of war.

And somthing else that was interesting.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/1425218

[fairtrade]

I'm not surprised at all.

What I want to know is why the **** are they wasting millions of $$ dropping bombs on civillians and blowing civillian houses to rubble? Is that stupid or is that f*cking stupid?

[billytalentisshweet]

The sad thing about that is that if they put all the money that they use for killing (this goes for the US especially) into humanitarin aid this world would be a much better and safer place. Take hurricane Katrina for example. If Bush wasn't so busy dropping bombs on Iraq and Afganistan he wouldn't have needed to cut funding to the dykes. Every year about 1 trillion dollars is spent on arms and imagine if all that money was used to heal instead of kill, imagaine what we could do.

[nathanjbro]

The war that we are discussing is not about religion, but about land. Israel is occupieing a bunch of Lebanese land and has been since the 80's I beleive. (don't quote me on that) Hizbollah was funded to try and drive out the Israel army presence. Since then Israel hasn't left and there have been a few flare ups of violence and many lives have been taken. This one I think is about the Israelie govt. trying to flex their muscles to the rest of the world, or possibly an attempt to gain more land.

soz, i am going to quote u on that man. in 2000, when israel withdrew from lebanon, the UN accepted that Israel had withdrawn from every inch of lebanon.

yes, i agree. it would be fantastic if all the money that was spent on weapons was spent on infrastructure and research. but israel is not in a position where it can simply cut its defence spending and go spend it on aid or something. very sad, but thats the extent to which many people want to destroy israel. I wish we lived in a peaceful world in which people didnt have to fight. but when someone is trying their utmost to destroy you, its hard to ignore it. Ive sed this before, i cant believe i have to say it again: even albert einstein, a lifelong pacifist and arguably the most intelligent person ever to live, sed that war was sometimes necessary.

and thank God Iran didnt launch anything at Israel....... very fortunate indeed.

as for israel supposedly targeting civilians on purpose, why would they drop leaflets telling the Lebanese civilians to get out if they were trying to target them?

[billytalentisshweet]

Why would they bomb the power plants, roads and bridges that civilians use? Because they don't care, they just dropped the leaflets to make it look like they do. It's so easy for them to not care, all they have to do is say a few words, write a few down on paper and they murder a thousand people.

[soad]

Every year about 1 trillion dollars is spent on arms and imagine if all that money was used to heal instead of kill, imagaine what we could do.

:hmm:

get taken over by other countries who DO spend money on trhose kinds fo things?

allow terrorists to run rampant across the world becasue the leading terrorist fightinh country never appeared because they wanted to better the citizens in a humanitarian way??

[nathanjbro]

Why would they bomb the power plants, roads and bridges that civilians use? Because they don't care, they just dropped the leaflets to make it look like they do. It's so easy for them to not care, all they have to do is say a few words, write a few down on paper and they murder a thousand people.

why the hell would Israel want to do that? all israel wants to do is to live in peace and security. Again, hizbollah is using these unfortunate people as human sheilds to boost its own image and to damage israels. what would be the logical point of killing heaps of civilians?

[billytalentisshweet]

1 trillion is what the whole world spends on arms in one year.

Do you ever wonder why the terrorists feel the need to kill people? Possible because we invade other countries and kill their families? How would we do that if we didn't have more guns than brains?

[billytalentisshweet]

why the hell would Israel want to do that? all israel wants to do is to live in peace and security. Again, hizbollah is using these unfortunate people as human sheilds to boost its own image and to damage israels. what would be the logical point of killing heaps of civilians?

So when most other people want to live in peace and security they invade the country next to them and settle it? Yeah, that makes sense.

I'm not saying that the Israelie people are wanting this to happen, I'm sure that they don't.

You keep saying that they use human sheilds like every single figher does it. There may be a few cases of this happening - I don't know how many and I can guarentee that you don't either. But like the person on DN! said "having one person hide in a civilian house doesn't justify leviling the entire neighbourhood" And by taking a human sheild I am assuming that they hid behind them when under fire by other infantry? Guess what! Most of the fighting was doen by bombing shit from airplanes!

There is no logical point of killing heaps of civilians, what I am saying is that the Israelie government doesn't care who they kill.

[nathanjbro]

yeh true, most of the fighting was done by planes. but in cases where the israeli govt thought that there would be too much civilian casualties, they sent in the shayatet, hebrew for naval seals, to pinpiont specific hizbollah fighters and take them out.

and israel didnt settle lebanon - true, they invaded it, but only to try to flush out hizbollah fighters. u may say that they failed, but at least they tried.

[MCHardmanUK]

yeh true, most of the fighting was done by planes. but in cases where the israeli govt thought that there would be too much civilian casualties, they sent in the shayatet, hebrew for naval seals, to pinpiont specific hizbollah fighters and take them out.

and israel didnt settle lebanon - true, they invaded it, but only to try to flush out hizbollah fighters. u may say that they failed, but at least they tried.

They may have tried but at what cost?

I should be more interested in this topic seeing as I studied critical geopolitics as part of my degree. The only thing I remember of it that has any significance in here is that there was a geography commentater called Fukuyama who predict after the end of the Cold War that the new world disorder/order (its debatable what period were in) would be the difference of views between the West and Islam. Damm what a prediction that was.

Theres always going to be problems in this world seeing as there are so many different communities, all of which have different opinions, views, ideas aboutt he world we live in.

The war nots over Israel will do somethign stupid, one mistake deserves another on their behalf, just aslong as that twat of a Primeminster Blair stays out of it I'll be happy.

[JonJon4420]

as for israel supposedly targeting civilians on purpose, why would they drop leaflets telling the Lebanese civilians to get out if they were trying to target them?

big deal god dropped leaflets on the people of louisianna before the major shit came when people are too poor to leave or have no where to go where do you want them to go, what good is it to know the bombs are comming if all the roads out of town and the bridges are destroyed.... and lebanon didnt ask for israel to come in a remove hezbolah.

if someone busted into my house to clean my toilet i'd still be pissed even though i needed it .. they had no right comming into my house.

end of story isreal should be concerned with what goes on in israel, they have enough problems there. theyre too stup[id to be busting into other countries and ****ing shit up. the states are almost too stupid to be doing it but it seems to be working for them at the moment, but just because they do it and get away with it dosnt mean its going to work with israel..


anyways on a brighter note when all this fighting is done im going to find me some lebonese broads the girls they show on cnn are hot. despite the tragedys and tears looking good.

[nathanjbro]

jonjon, israel is concerned about what happens in israel. they are especially concerned when hizbollah come into israel and kidnap soldiers, and then proceed to fire rockets into israel. so i think we can safely say that Israel is concerned about what goes on in israel.

[fairtrade]

jonjon, israel is concerned about what happens in israel. they are especially concerned when hizbollah come into israel and kidnap soldiers, and then proceed to fire rockets into israel. so i think we can safely say that Israel is concerned about what goes on in israel.

Hell of a bump here, but I don't remember Hizbullah going into Israel to take people, if anything, I remember those prisoners being captured after they crossed the border - into Lebanon.

So maybe Israel, isn't actually concerned as much, about what goes on in Israel. :roll:

Is this war over yet? :?

[Robert E Lee]

Hell of a bump here, but I don't remember Hizbullah going into Israel to take people, if anything, I remember those prisoners being captured after they crossed the border - into Lebanon.

So maybe Israel, isn't actually concerned as much, about what goes on in Israel. :roll:

Is this war over yet? :?

This war doesn't end.
War doesn't end, it alway stays in someones heart or brain.
This war can go on and on and on and on until everyone is nearly killed.

[billytalentisshweet]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5299938.stm

Yet another source saying that Israel used cluster bombs. Still beleive they conduct their business legitimatly?

[nathanjbro]

Hell of a bump here, but I don't remember Hizbullah going into Israel to take people, if anything, I remember those prisoners being captured after they crossed the border - into Lebanon.

So maybe Israel, isn't actually concerned as much, about what goes on in Israel. :roll:

Is this war over yet? :?

dude, i dunno where u get ur info from, but not even Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of hizbollah, denies that his fighters took the two soldiers from inside israel. i suspect it would be something he would be proud of in fact.

[JonJon4420]

. i suspect it would be something he would be proud of in fact.
thats liek me taking credit for my brother doing the dishes it supports my cause, if the american army accidentally blew up half of nevada, al quaeda would take the heat for it... it makes them look stronger than they are.!

[fairtrade]

dude, i dunno where u get ur info from, but not even Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of hizbollah, denies that his fighters took the two soldiers from inside israel. i suspect it would be something he would be proud of in fact.

Hmm, just checked and yeah, I was wrong.


I don't get how every thread is titled "war in israel" when most of the war is in Lebanon, surely it should be "War between Israel & Hezbollah"?

[billytalentisshweet]

Yeah, I just put it as that so people would know it's a contiued version of the other thread. Makes things easier for some. I realized the irony of doing that when I typed it though, it's been bugging me since, almost none of this war is being fought in Israel.