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This topic is here To act as a wheel building guide
As a reference for anyone wishing to know what size spokes they need for any given wheel.Submitting Information
If you wish to submit and information regarding past, present, future wheelbuilds or even ones you just know offf the top of your head as long as you know the Rim, Hub, Number of Holes, Lacing and Spoke Size for that wheelbuild then contact me via PM or leave it in the topic and I'll update the table.
Requesting Information
If you wish to request information regarding what spokes you need for a certain wheelbuild then please provide the following information: Rim
Hub
Front or Rear
Number of Holes
LacingThankyou in advance
The Theory Behind All Things Wheels
Wheel Building
There are four common lacing patterns used for building wheels: Radial - Weakest lacing pattern that is currently used, only to be used for racing.
2X - Not very strong, recommended for racing or as a front wheel build if your smooth
3X - Strong but not the strongest can be used perfectly fine for most riding and rider types.
4X - Strongest lacing pattern that is currently used.In general the lower the crossing pattern you chose to build your wheel the less rotational weight - so radial built wheels will have the least rotational weight whereas 4x built wheels will have the most rotational weight.
To work out the size of spokes you need for your wheel build you will need to know the ERD (Effective Rim Diameter), various dimensions of your hub flanges and the lacing you want to use, whether it be radial, 2x, 3x or 4x.
WARNING: Never use different holed rims or hubs to build a wheel the spoke tension will not be distributed evenly throughout the rim or hub flanges and it will lead to a big mess.
WARNING: If you don't know what you are doing or are not confident enough to build a wheel don't, take it to a shop and get a qualified wheelbuilder to do it for a small price.
Rims
Seeing as your wheels come into contact with the floor the lighter they are the better as this decreases the roling resistance, but don't go too light, you don't want to end up with a exploding wheel.
Rims come in four drilling sizes: 28 - Designed for racing, not recommended for street unless your super smooth.
32 - Designed for racing but can be used for light street.
36 - Should be used as a front rim for pretty any type of riding, only to be used on the rear if your smooth.
48 - Used as a front or rear rim for street use, ideal if your a bit of a fatty or just ride hard and fast and crash a lot.Rims come in four rim surface finishes: Black anodised
Black Duralectra
Machined
Chrome If you are looking for the best stopping power than I suggest you buy a Chrome rim or if you really want a black rim and can afford it then a Duralectra rim as the rim surface finish does greatly improve the stopping power of a brake. Please remeber that your brakes need to be properly set up to achieve there maximun braking potential.
Hubs
There are four types of hub:
Fix Freewheel Standard - The hub is very basic in design and is the cheapest, it has a threaded part on the left or right to screw a freewheel on.
Flip Flop - The hub is very basic in design and is the cheapest, it has a threaded part on the left and right to screw two different sized freewheels on.
Cassette - This is the most expensive of all the hubs and the freewheel mechnism is built into the hub body. You will need this type of hub to run mirco gearing.
Freecoaster - This is the most complex of all the hubs with the freewheel mechanism built into the hub body as well as another mechanism that allows the hub to dis-engage when pedalled backwards. This is ideally suited to flatland riding but is becoming more popular in street and park riding. These hubs can be quite expensive and the engaement is very slow, they have a tendency to break more often than other types of hub and in most cases they are not designed for hard, agressive riding and the axles break a lot.
Spokes
There are three types of spoke: Plain guage
Double Butted
Straight PullSpokes come in different thicknesses or guages to give it its technical name: 10
11
12
13
14
15I suggest buying quality spokes, there not really that expensive but you will notice they build a better wheel, have better tension and keep there tension longer. Stay away from titanium spokes as they don't build a good wheel, they flex, undo often, snap, don't save much weight and are way overpriced.
Nipples
Nipples are what go on through the holes in the rim and thread onto the ends of the spokes to increase or decrease the tension. Nipple come in all shapes and sizes and you must make sure that the nipples you buy are the right size for the guage of spoke you are buying. Stay away from coloured aluminium nipples as they will rounded real easy, just stick to the basic braze ones.
Spoke Length Calculators
BEST SPOKE LENGTH CALCULATOR EVER (http://www.thehousebmx.com/Spoke.html) - Simply the best spoke calculating tool out there, so simple and easy to use, pick your hub, rim, number of spokes and lacing and thats it.
Beyond Bikes Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.beyondbikes.com/bb/tech/?section=spo) - Very basic and easy to use.
Senet Spoke Length Calculator (http://users.senet.com.au/~mitchell/misc/html/spoke.htm) - Very basic and easy to use.
WheelPro Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/) - Very basic and easy to use.
DTSwiss Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.dtswiss.com/spokescalc/welcome.aspx?language=en) - Quite advanced use if you know what your doing.
Spoke Calculator (http://www.bikeschool.com/spokes/)
Damon Rinard Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.damonrinard.com/spocalc.htm) - There are two version: Spocalc Express - Very basic easy to use
Spocalc - Very advanced use if you know what your doing this ones a nightmare to use if your a novice.Wheelbuilding Guide
G-Sport Wheel Building Masterclass (http://www.gsportbmx.co.uk/custom/wheel_build/wheels.html)
This topic is here To act as a wheel building guide
As a reference for anyone wishing to know what size spokes they need for any given wheel.Submitting Information
If you wish to submit and information regarding past, present, future wheelbuilds or even ones you just know offf the top of your head as long as you know the Rim, Hub, Number of Holes, Lacing and Spoke Size for that wheelbuild then contact me via PM or leave it in the topic and I'll update the table.
Requesting Information
If you wish to request information regarding what spokes you need for a certain wheelbuild then please provide the following information: Rim
Hub
Front or Rear
Number of Holes
LacingThankyou in advance
The Theory Behind All Things Wheels
Wheel Building
There are four common lacing patterns used for building wheels: Radial - Weakest lacing pattern that is currently used, only to be used for racing.
2X - Not very strong, recommended for racing or as a front wheel build if your smooth
3X - Strong but not the strongest can be used perfectly fine for most riding and rider types.
4X - Strongest lacing pattern that is currently used.In general the lower the crossing pattern you chose to build your wheel the less rotational weight - so radial built wheels will have the least rotational weight whereas 4x built wheels will have the most rotational weight.
To work out the size of spokes you need for your wheel build you will need to know the ERD (Effective Rim Diameter), various dimensions of your hub flanges and the lacing you want to use, whether it be radial, 2x, 3x or 4x.
WARNING: Never use different holed rims or hubs to build a wheel the spoke tension will not be distributed evenly throughout the rim or hub flanges and it will lead to a big mess.
WARNING: If you don't know what you are doing or are not confident enough to build a wheel don't, take it to a shop and get a qualified wheelbuilder to do it for a small price.
Rims
Seeing as your wheels come into contact with the floor the lighter they are the better as this decreases the roling resistance, but don't go too light, you don't want to end up with a exploding wheel.
Rims come in four drilling sizes: 28 - Designed for racing, not recommended for street unless your super smooth.
32 - Designed for racing but can be used for light street.
36 - Should be used as a front rim for pretty any type of riding, only to be used on the rear if your smooth.
48 - Used as a front or rear rim for street use, ideal if your a bit of a fatty or just ride hard and fast and crash a lot.Rims come in four rim surface finishes: Black anodised
Black Duralectra
Machined
Chrome If you are looking for the best stopping power than I suggest you buy a Chrome rim or if you really want a black rim and can afford it then a Duralectra rim as the rim surface finish does greatly improve the stopping power of a brake. Please remeber that your brakes need to be properly set up to achieve there maximun braking potential.
Hubs
There are four types of hub:
Fix Freewheel Standard - The hub is very basic in design and is the cheapest, it has a threaded part on the left or right to screw a freewheel on.
Flip Flop - The hub is very basic in design and is the cheapest, it has a threaded part on the left and right to screw two different sized freewheels on.
Cassette - This is the most expensive of all the hubs and the freewheel mechnism is built into the hub body. You will need this type of hub to run mirco gearing.
Freecoaster - This is the most complex of all the hubs with the freewheel mechanism built into the hub body as well as another mechanism that allows the hub to dis-engage when pedalled backwards. This is ideally suited to flatland riding but is becoming more popular in street and park riding. These hubs can be quite expensive and the engaement is very slow, they have a tendency to break more often than other types of hub and in most cases they are not designed for hard, agressive riding and the axles break a lot.
Spokes
There are three types of spoke: Plain guage
Double Butted
Straight PullSpokes come in different thicknesses or guages to give it its technical name: 10
11
12
13
14
15I suggest buying quality spokes, there not really that expensive but you will notice they build a better wheel, have better tension and keep there tension longer. Stay away from titanium spokes as they don't build a good wheel, they flex, undo often, snap, don't save much weight and are way overpriced.
Nipples
Nipples are what go on through the holes in the rim and thread onto the ends of the spokes to increase or decrease the tension. Nipple come in all shapes and sizes and you must make sure that the nipples you buy are the right size for the guage of spoke you are buying. Stay away from coloured aluminium nipples as they will rounded real easy, just stick to the basic braze ones.
Spoke Length Calculators
BEST SPOKE LENGTH CALCULATOR EVER (http://www.thehousebmx.com/Spoke.html) - Simply the best spoke calculating tool out there, so simple and easy to use, pick your hub, rim, number of spokes and lacing and thats it.
Beyond Bikes Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.beyondbikes.com/bb/tech/?section=spo) - Very basic and easy to use.
Senet Spoke Length Calculator (http://users.senet.com.au/~mitchell/misc/html/spoke.htm) - Very basic and easy to use.
WheelPro Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/) - Very basic and easy to use.
DTSwiss Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.dtswiss.com/spokescalc/welcome.aspx?language=en) - Quite advanced use if you know what your doing.
Spoke Calculator (http://www.bikeschool.com/spokes/)
Damon Rinard Spoke Length Calculator (http://www.damonrinard.com/spocalc.htm) - There are two version: Spocalc Express - Very basic easy to use
Spocalc - Very advanced use if you know what your doing this ones a nightmare to use if your a novice.Wheelbuilding Guide
G-Sport Wheel Building Masterclass (http://www.gsportbmx.co.uk/custom/wheel_build/wheels.html)
