To Join or not to Join- The Millitary

[billytalentisshweet]

I'm going to try to continue the discussion about wether or not to join the millitary that I had going before Street Cowboy shut it down. I'll start with my post.

Why would someone join the millitary?

Hours are crappy (24 hours a day, 7 days a week)

The pay can't be that great right? I mean, your putting your life on the line to carry out your corrupted governments decisions. You think you life and others lives can be taken with a paycheck?

You have to KILL, you have to DIE, you have to watch others suffer. Even if you never see action, you still have the blood of the 'emeny' on your hands.

How much is your life worth?

How much is someone elses life worth?

The millitary sells you with the paycheck, it sells you with the education, it sells you with the travel. What it doesn't tell you is that your paycheck means nothin once your dead. What it doesn't tell you is that your education will also be wasted when your dead. What it doesn't tell you is that you will be bombing and killing in the exotic places where you will be traveling. What it doesn't tell you is that if you disobey your orders to die and to kill, you will have jail time. What it doesn't tell you is that your government gets to decide where and when you go anywhere, who and what you kill/destroy, and the real reason your doing it.

Please, think twice before you join the millitary.

I hope we can get a good discussion going. What do you think about the millitary?

[bMx_vinc3]

I myself am not going to join the military unless the draft gets
re-enstated.

But there are always those guys (and gals) that are determines to go into the military.

That's there choice/decision and I'm not going to try and change it.

[onelesscar]

i'd rather not die for something i dont believe in. its not my ****ing patriotic duty and if any more ****ing propaganda gets shoved down my throat, im moving to canada.

[911freeagentbmx911]

the US army is the best army in the world and also the best trained in all fields the chance of dieing is slim if injured but if you are bombed theres not much that happens all reported deaths of military active soldiers are very few because of this training id say driving drunk is almost as dangerous as being in the military which aint so bad like 75 25 chance of living in favor of living thats what i think atleast but there are serious injuries....i really dont think there is much killing unless there is a war or if you are special forces or some covort op which usually involves secret killing which is what you describes but the say national guard or infantry only kill in war...i say this is the worst time to be in the army though because of the terrorism so it is likley that some guy can sneak up and shoebomb you.....

i have come to the conclusion that no matter what you do you are always in serious danger ever since 9/11 no matter where you go you have a chance to die...so if you feel strongly about your country and stand by the army i say join and if you die you die for something you stand by but if you dont feel strongly for your country its not the way to go.

[Quen]

^sure thing G-Dub Bush. see you have been brainwashed by their propoganda, but i guess there has to be people like you so that we can say we have an army because otherwise america would not be here.

there always has to be an army because otherwise there is no way to enforce your beliefs on the people of other countrys.

[teflondon]

I'm in the military and I will tell you that regular army infantry is a joke. They get ****ed up because they do stupid things. Marines are trainged much better, which is why we're the only ones in the hotter areas of Iraq while the Army just posts up in towns that are already under control.

On the subject of joining the military, don't do it. I don't feel like typing up all the reasons not to, but if you are considering it, please contact me on AIM and I'll tell you how it really is. Recruiters and other guys in the offices will only tell you about the high points. It's just how it works. They won't talk about all the bad. All in all joining the Marine Corps has pretty much ****ed up my life right now and it's been a struggle to try and pick up the pieces so to speak.

[soad]

fifteen percent of the jobs in the united states army are combat related. that means, 85 percent of their jobs, you have a 0% chance of dying in a combat situation.

of course, if there is a war going on, you will most likely hold a weapon and fight. unless you have a behind the lines job, then you will go and support.

the air force has security forces, everyone else, sits in a chair, or is supply type stuff.

marines kicks ass and takes names

navy is about the boats, and they got seals and the likes.

i challenge you to find a better job, pay and benefit wise, than the military, considering you only hhave a diploma.

if you live on a base, you dont have to pay for housing, only bills you pay for are internet and phone(package)
if you live off base, they give you 28% of your monthly pay, to go towards your home. that money is not taxed, by the way.
they give you 28% of your monthly pay to go towards food as well.
you dont pay for your retirement stuff.
you dont pay for your benefits(health, dental, etc. etc.)
if you enlist for a mere 2 years, and put that you were in the military, it is a LARGE benefit on your resume. army has a program where if you enlist for at least 2 years(minimum) the will guarentee you a job of your choice, so long as you are qualified, which means they will put your app. on the top of the list, and as a high recommendation.

sure you are on call 24 7, 335(30 days leave per year, guarenteed) but that doesn't mean your active duty. any job you want in the civilian world, there is an equalivant in the military. military also has free training.

explain to me, other than the whoel chance of dying(which is slim considering todays standards, other jobs are far more lethal than the military) the cons to the military. yes, you can be sent off for up to a year and some, away from your family, and America. thats about the only con there is, in my eyes.

and there are ways to come home earlier, but that involves purple hearts.

[billytalentisshweet]

Whe you join the millitary the only problem isn't dying. You also have to kill.

Imagine that it is your family living in thoes houses. They are innocent of any crime against the U.S and they get bombed and killed anyways. How do you think that you will feel? How will the rest of your family feel, thier friends?

The U.S government has been releasing cunning propoganda for years. They make the people in the Middle East out to look like they arn't human, like they don't deserve life. This is aided by the white mans (yes, i said white man) seeming natural ignorance to others. Take the natives for example. They were put through the worlds largest genocide by the European settlers (at the same time of slavery) and now the vast majority live in extreme poverty, their culture has been destroyed, and they are constantly villified by others. Now we have generally come to accept (in the U.S and Canada) that they somehow deserve this. Neither of these people deserve the ways that they have been treates, and we have only made it worse.

Thoes people are not monsters, they are people. They are loved. And they feel all the same things that you do.

[sentaafEQpovar]

maybe your patriotic, dont have a good edu for another job, and the chances of dying are very slim... in past 4 years or whatever, like 2000 soilders have died?

how many are in service, like 500,000 or something?

[soad]

the military doesn't want to kill the innocent. if they could, they would only kill the enemies, aka guys trying to kill you and/or harm innocents.

[greenbeast469]

Killing is the fun part of that job

[rideohio]

things have gotten so much better for soldiers though. imagine how much it must have sucked to be an Axis soldier in WW2. thats the only circumstances that id ever join the army, if the situation was as dire as it was back then.

[bMx_vinc3]

Killing is the fun part of that job

that is entirely a matter of opinion.

[CEP]

people forget that you have to fight for independance and freedom which would have been a lot different today if we didnt....i dont care too much for politics but the army today is a nessecity(sp?) because its in human nature to repeat the same mistakes and theres always some dictator who will want to bleed the world.....its a personal decision if you want to join, if you think you can make a difference and it suits your personality, then by all means do it....me on the other hand could not see myself with a contract for 5 years to the army, no way in hell.

[sexybeast]

I am going to be a marine, and for those who ask "why?" it simpily cannot be explaned, but what i can explane is just like my opinion, YOUR opionon dosent mean crap in the long run...so why bring up the subject in the first place? if your loking for an argument, over the internet is not the place to do it :roll: ...you dont like the military? go to iraq and fight for the terrorist,you want me to imagin that the military is bombing MY innocent family and friends?

let me think....hmmm why dont YOU imagine something along the lines of 9/11....whats that? you dont have to imagine? innocent people have already been murderd??????

have your opinion but keep it to yourself

[sentaafEQpovar]

let me think....hmmm why dont YOU imagine something along the lines of 9/11....whats that? you dont have to imagine? innocent people have already been murderd??????sadam wasnt behind 9/11 dumbass

sorry, i couldnt help it, i just hate when ppl link 9/11 to sadam

[babelfish42]

Ja, the US + it's bitches have totally screwed up Iraq. There are other ways to remove a corrupt government, see Ukraine, but that ain't the american way!

[fairtrade]

the military doesn't want to kill the innocent. if they could, they would only kill the enemies, aka guys trying to kill you and/or harm innocents.

Mate, how far can you ram your head up your ass?

The cunts over at the Isreali army smashed my friends nose up, leaving him having to get surgery, blew up his house, and in turn, turned his mother and sister into mashed potato, then smacked up his father. Great job you f*cking cunts are doing. Get a clue, you dumb f*ckerS

Also, all this while he was about 9 years old. Oh, poor old rich white kids.

I'd rather not watch my mother getting blown to pieces and getting sprayed with intestines of my loved ones.

You can get away with ANYTHING if it goes along with US policy.

[babelfish42]

one of my friends at school, Fahad, lived in Iraq until he was about 15, then his parents moved over here, basically because the war had ruined any chance of him getting a good education. I find that incredibly sad, because Iraq is probably full of talented, intelligent kids like Fahad, who have had their lives disrupted and their education totally ****ed up by a silly invasion that appears to be accomplishing nothing.

[fairtrade]

The funny thing is that these kids come over here, and smash up shop windows, riot, and basically spread the terror they experienced at home. They have every right to, considering the war crimes committed in their home country.

[bmxrider724]

we cant really think like that, if there was no military we would have no countries, then again if there was no sin we wouldnt have war. anyway we have to saport our troops because even if they dont think that they are doing is right and we dont think its right they still have to do it. i think religion has to do a part with it. i am christian as i hope you all know and i would die for my country because i know i am going to heaven. but do you see that if someone belives that they are going to a heaven of some sort its easyer for them to die. if your athiest lets say there is no heaven aka no hope so if i was athiest i probably would not go to war. because it would be a waste of my life. get it? im not trying to offend any athists or start a relgious thread i just wanted to say that.

[teflondon]

Some of you are on the track, but are only half right. The Canadian who said the US views Iraqi's as dogs, that was an extremely ignorant comment. What kind of garbage do they feed you in school up there? Do you honostly believe that we just walk around beating the shit out of people and shooting the ones who run? Do you understand how much that country has progressed? Bad things do happen, that's war, it sucks. A good friend of mine recently got ****ed up pretty bad when his Humvee got hit by an IED. He was the only one to survive the blast. Another kid I knew got shot in the head by a sniper. A kid I went to SOI with was killed.

I wanna try and keep this post as civil as possible, but it's easy for people to sit at home watching the news, and THINK they have a good idea of what's going over there. The truth is you don't, and you never will.

And honostly, I don't give a **** about any of you or your opinions on the war. I don't give a **** about the Marine Corps, Iraq, Bush, or all the bullshit that's been going. All I care about are my friends that are over there right now. So next time you wanna talk shit just remember one of my best friends got hurt or died so you can have the freedom to be an idiot and run your mouth.



P.S. For those who don't know, I'm a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. Sorry for the rant, but these topics usually get me fired up. I'm good now though. :)

[sentaafEQpovar]

I am no callow Christian,
No pus-paunched prelate, I,
I hope not for salvation,
Nor fear the day, I'll die

In wantonness of appetite,
In women, wine and war,
In fire and blood and rapine
In these my pleasures are.

I love the smell of horse dung,
The sight of corpse-strewn mud,
The sound of steel on armour
The feel of clotting blood.

The women I have ravished,
The infants I have slain,
The priests and nuns l've roasted,
They haunt me not again.

Priests talk of soul's salvation,
And shining lights afar,
But give me a harlot's laughter
And the battle flash of war.

Priests talk of soul's damnation
The white hot pits of hell;
I fear more wounds that fester
And gape and rot and smell

Then here's to blood and blasphemy!
And here's to whores and drink!
In life you know you're living
In death we only stink

[teflondon]

Ja, the US + it's bitches have totally screwed up Iraq. There are other ways to remove a corrupt government, see Ukraine, but that ain't the american way!

I don't know the story on the Ukraine, but did they have WMD's? Do they harbor terrorists?

[sentaafEQpovar]

LOLOLOLOLOL

omg... ppl still think iraq had nuclear arms?

[teflondon]

It's already been proven they did exsist.


it's easy for people to sit at home watching the news, and THINK they have a good idea of what's going over there. The truth is you don't, and you never will.

That applies to you.

[sentaafEQpovar]

the media works in favor of the government, if they did exist, it would be in our faces



It's already been proven they did exsist.
its been proven that the jews created 9/11

[teflondon]

I guess high ranking Iraqi military officials have something to gain by telling us they did exist then.

[superclassic]

Can i just point out, the iraq war is in no way linked to al-caida, saddam and bin laden are immediate enemies, as for dying out there in my opinion every human life is worth the same and the 100, 000 civilian casualties out there are far more important than the trickle of "our boys" getting killed.
Terrorism is by definition the actions of small groups of people, you cannot fight these groups by starting large scale wars on innocents.

Our governments lied to us, check the list of reasons they used
saddam linked to al-caeda - DISPROVED
WMDs - DISPROVED
regime change - it was a ****ing coup-de-etat, and illegal war

there are many more ways to approach the problem then military and its dissapointing that in this day and age we still have to resort to it.

as a side note saddam was instated by the US, and Bin Laden was trained and funded by the US to fight the Russians -well that backfired

[teflondon]

You definition of terrorism is skewed.

[fairtrade]

You definition of terrorism is skewed.

Give the man a f*cking cookie. :roll:

[teflondon]

Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence for political or idealogical gain.

WMD's disproved? Says who? You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

And yes, our governments don't tell us everything. If neccessary they lie. Why? Because the public does not need to know everything. OPSEC comes first.

[fairtrade]

You sound like you're affiliated with government. Oh wait, you are.

[teflondon]

Is that a problem for you?

[babelfish42]

Is that a problem for you?

no (quickly, overthrow his government, I'm sure he wont mind)

[soad]

thank you, and your friends, teflondon, who put their lives on the line so that people, who think they can do a better job than the people they voted in, who went to colleges and know far more about the political world. i challenge them to come up with a better way to deal with iraq, without aggravating a single group of people in america. i trust that the government will do the right thing that is in the best interest of the American people, considering thats what they have been told to do since they were wee little lads.

[billytalentisshweet]

Some of you are on the track, but are only half right. The Canadian who said the US views Iraqi's as dogs, that was an extremely ignorant comment. What kind of garbage do they feed you in school up there? Do you honostly believe that we just walk around beating the shit out of people and shooting the ones who run? Do you understand how much that country has progressed? Bad things do happen, that's war, it sucks. A good friend of mine recently got f*ck up pretty bad when his Humvee got hit by an IED. He was the only one to survive the blast. Another kid I knew got shot in the head by a sniper. A kid I went to SOI with was killed.

I wanna try and keep this post as civil as possible, but it's easy for people to sit at home watching the news, and THINK they have a good idea of what's going over there. The truth is you don't, and you never will.

And honostly, I don't give a f*ck about any of you or your opinions on the war. I don't give a f*ck about the Marine Corps, Iraq, Bush, or all the bullshit that's been going. All I care about are my friends that are over there right now. So next time you wanna talk shit just remember one of my best friends got hurt or died so you can have the freedom to be an idiot and run your mouth.



P.S. For those who don't know, I'm a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. Sorry for the rant, but these topics usually get me fired up. I'm good now though. :)

I did not say that the U.S views these people as dogs, I said that they spread propoganda to try and make others view them like that. (Listen to the song 'Anatomy of Your Enemy' by Anti Flag.)

Most of my posts tonight will be brief because I'm too distracted to organize my thoughts well, but I would like to thank you all for your oppinions, I didn't think this thread would get so many replies.

[billytalentisshweet]

I am going to be a marine, and for those who ask "why?" it simpily cannot be explaned, but what i can explane is just like my opinion, YOUR opionon dosent mean crap in the long run...so why bring up the subject in the first place? if your loking for an argument, over the internet is not the place to do it :roll: ...you dont like the military? go to iraq and fight for the terrorist,you want me to imagin that the military is bombing MY innocent family and friends?

let me think....hmmm why dont YOU imagine something along the lines of 9/11....whats that? you dont have to imagine? innocent people have already been murderd??????

have your opinion but keep it to yourself

9/11 happened because of the U.S occupation of Afganistan a few years back. Bin Laden and his buddies got pissed off at the U.S and started blowing things up. It was not right, but it was the U.S governments fault for not listening to their pleas. I in no way support 'terrorist' acts or the people who perpitrate them.

I'll continue this tomorow, I have to go to bed.

[gdude335]

well if noone joined the military you probably would be forced to join. I personnaly wont join it. If there a daft im moving back to france!

[sexybeast]

let me think....hmmm why dont YOU imagine something along the lines of 9/11....whats that? you dont have to imagine? innocent people have already been murderd??????sadam wasnt behind 9/11 dumbass

sorry, i couldnt help it, i just hate when ppl link 9/11 to sadam
^^^^ im sooo sorry you cant read sh*t head i NEVER said saddam, so you can go blow yourself

[bruisedbob]

I think anyone wanting to join the military should make a mandatory visit to any VA (veterans) hospital. Then, tell me how great these benefits are, and they are getting cut back by the day. The high survivability rate is great and all, but what happens when these guys and girls come home to an overloaded medical system?

The only veterans I know that are proud of the actions of the military are those from WWII, Korea, and people in the rear. Ever since Korea, the only bright spot for the military has been Grenada. And I'm not saying that all the operations were misguided, but a lot of them turn into cluster****s. Or the administration manages to screw up.

And teflon, about the government giving me a bunch of lies. That's unacceptable. If what we are doing is right, then there is no need for lies. End of story. All the rest is just rhetoric meant to calm the masses, and it pisses me off.

[Wynex]

so you can go blow yourself
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keep this discussion clean

[PhoenixBMX]

why does the US government feel it has to nose into the worlds affairs?
new zealand has a tiny military btw, we didnt go to iraq. britain did, austrailia did, and both have had problems with terrorists.
go figure
youd probably become a terrorist if another country randomly invaded your country

[soad]

why does the US government feel it has to nose into the worlds affairs?
new zealand has a tiny military btw, we didnt go to iraq. britain did, austrailia did, and both have had problems with terrorists.
go figure
youd probably become a terrorist if another country randomly invaded your country

the terrorists that we are fighting in iraq, aren't even iraqis. they are something called "insurgents" remember that word from CNN? what it means is basically people from surrounding countries coming into iraq to terrorize. the iraqi people are VERY happy and thankful that we got rid of saddam, ask any one of them and they will tell you that.

what they AREN'T grateful for is that since we are occupying them, these "insurgents" have a reason to cause terror. they want us to do what we are doing, which is helping them. they dont want the insurgents.

oh, and never, EVER be afraid of terrorists. because the moment you are, they win.

[fairtrade]

why does the US government feel it has to nose into the worlds affairs?
new zealand has a tiny military btw, we didnt go to iraq. britain did, austrailia did, and both have had problems with terrorists.
go figure
youd probably become a terrorist if another country randomly invaded your country

the terrorists that we are fighting in iraq, aren't even iraqis. they are something called "insurgents" remember that word from CNN? what it means is basically people from surrounding countries coming into iraq to terrorize. the iraqi people are VERY happy and thankful that we got rid of saddam, ask any one of them and they will tell you that.

what they AREN'T grateful for is that since we are occupying them, these "insurgents" have a reason to cause terror. they want us to do what we are doing, which is helping them. they dont want the insurgents.

oh, and never, EVER be afraid of terrorists. because the moment you are, they win.



Hahahahahahahhahaahh!

Repeat after me.

Heil Bush!

[babelfish42]

the iraqi people are VERY happy and thankful that we got rid of saddam, ask any one of them and they will tell you that.


haha I did, and they said the US army had no idea what they were doing, and basically sucked.

[teflondon]

soad is right, the majority of the insurgants over there are not Iraqi, but they are Seryian and Checyn (sp?). There are a few Iraqi's who feel they've been done wrong by the US and simpethize with the terrorists. Basically the Iraqi people are caught in the middle of a fight, but they are starting to grow more independant. Their government and military is growing and hopefully soon, they will be able to handle the insurgency on their own. Right now the Iraqi Army is training to operate independantly from US forces. Couple more years and I think we should be out of there, or at least on our way out. That is the only solution whether you like or not.


Why can't the American people know everything? It's common sense really. The President sees highly classified documents every single day. He doesn't get his info by watching CNN. Based on all the intel collected a decision is made. Why can't you know everything? Do you really have to ask? It's called OPERATIONAL SECURITY. If everybody know whats goes on, so does our enemies. They have tv's too. They can watch the news and read the newspapers. To think people aren't strying to steal our intelligence is just ignorant. This is the reason why I hate people thinking they know everything about this war. Did you see the daily reports that sit on the Presidents desk? Did you have access to that? Did you review all the variables with top military leaders? Are you educated on politcal and war matters? So how could you possibly know "the truth"? How is it you're always right? People recieve info that WE LET THEM SEE and they come up with their own explanation for things. The way you percieve the info you see doesn't mean that's how things really are.

[Wynex]

come on... the thread title is To Join or not to Join- The Millitary
Back to topic or I'll lock it.

[teflondon]

the iraqi people are VERY happy and thankful that we got rid of saddam, ask any one of them and they will tell you that.


haha I did, and they said the US army had no idea what they were doing, and basically sucked.

The majority are happy we did what we did. People aren't afraid of US Troops. When we are doing patrols taking cover in peoples yards, the most they'll do is peek outside to see what the commotion is, then go about their business. If we need to take cover inside a home or use their home for something, they always very cooperative. Some even speak english, usually the children. If the Iraqi people hated us we'd be getting nowhere in this war. Without their help we can't collect intel on insurgants.

[teflondon]

come on... the thread title is To Join or not to Join- The Millitary
Back to topic or I'll lock it.

The information in this thread could help someone make a more educated decision on whether or not to join the military. Discussing the war would be important for someone about to make that decision because they WILL get deployed. They have the right to have a realistic view of whats going on over there and with our governments. Not some happy story that the recruiter will tell them.